Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

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Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by muddy ranks » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:36 pm

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So I was scratching my head, thinking about a quad quantizers such as Instruo's Harmonaig. (Of course there's also ADDAC System's 207. Are there others?) Anyway, it got me wondering if there are great, versatile options out there for quad oscillators that would pair well with one of these? At the moment, I'm using Qu-bit's Tone filter just cuz I got it super cheap... And, not that I don't love sine waves, but I'd like to maybe infuse a little more harmonic content. Wondering if anybody here could weigh in on options they've had good results with, or at least heard of. PLEASE SHARE!!

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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by muddy ranks » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:41 pm

On my initial search here are the results that popped up:
  • Doepfer A-111-4 Quad Precision VCO (meh)
  • Synthesis Technology's E370 Quad Morphing VCO ($$$! also gigantic!)
  • Iron Ether's Qwoso (not yet released)
Anyone have some success with any of these? Or are there any others you might know of?

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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by evs » Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:33 am

muddy ranks wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:41 pm
On my initial search here are the results that popped up:
  • Doepfer A-111-4 Quad Precision VCO (meh)
Why meh on the Doepfer? I also was interested in this..
Never tried it. Have you?

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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by señor-bling » Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:17 am

I also think the Doepfer Quad VCO looks interesting... why meh?

Another Quad VCO would be the Flame 4Vox. It's a wavetable oscillator, it's huge, the configuration interface is weird, but it meets the requirements :)
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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by muddy ranks » Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:22 am

evs wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:33 am
Why meh on the Doepfer? I also was interested in this..
Never tried it. Have you?
Nope. Haven't used one. Just from checking out the layout/interface it doesn't excite me. That's all. Not at all saying it's not a good or useful module. I kinda just wish Instruo made a 4-oscillator version of Troika. That would be perfect! =]

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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by muddy ranks » Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:25 am

señor-bling wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:17 am
Another Quad VCO would be the Flame 4Vox. It's a wavetable oscillator, it's huge, the configuration interface is weird, but it meets the requirements :)
Space-wise that concerns me, but I'll look into it. Thanks! =]

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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by Destinova » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:44 am

Qu-bit chord V2 has a mode where it acts as four independent oscillators, although they share the same sound.

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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by Fabong » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:01 am

I have an A-143-4 but I don't think it has a very big range of useful tracking. Still though, cheaper than most quad oscillators! It was mostly designed as an LFO so that's why.
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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by Arneb » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:39 am

muddy ranks wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:36 pm
Howdy all!

So I was scratching my head, thinking about a quad quantizers such as Instruo's Harmonaig. (Of course there's also ADDAC System's 207. Are there others?)
If we're talking about chord quantizers specifically there's ACL Sinfonion, Flame Chord Machine, and I'd wager O&C can do it.

As for Quad VCO's...
- Recovery Jupiter Spirits from what I hear
- Studio QUADNIC probably
- Flame's stuff again.
- Supercritical Demon Core, but you'd probably end up getting chords of chords, which might take the fun out of using a musically-minded chord quantizer
- Qu-Bit Chord V2 in poly mode, but where's the point in doing that (Harmonaig->Chord) as opposed to just run your Chord in chord mode?
- I absolutely hate the fact that XAOC Odessa+Hel has five CV inputs instead of four, because it seems to be a pretty awesome chord osc otherwise. That being said, no one stops you from using the fifth Odessa voice as a sub osc by running your root pitch CV through something like Quant Gemi or ALM002.
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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by foliephonics » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:55 am

Tenderfoot Electronics has announced a Quad Quantizer which looks interesting...

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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by mdoudoroff » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:37 am

First, note that Harmonaig is not a quad quantizer. It’s a single quantizer that derives four harmonically related pitches (i.e., a chord). The ADDAC is a quad quantizer, as is the Ornament & Crime. There are others—see this comparison:

https://doudoroff.com/quantizers/

If you’re using a Harmonaig (or a Sinfonion, which includes a comparable chord generator, or a Flame Chord Machine) where you’re working with chords and independent control over the timbre of each voice isn’t maybe a priority, then—at this particular moment—the Qu-bit Chord 2 is a pretty great value in terms of cost and HP. Here’s how that works (demoed with a Sinfonion):



If, instead, you really want independent control over each voice, then (my opinion) you’re probably better off just having a collection of oscillators you like to choose from.

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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by Tomorrow Sounds Good » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:00 am

I have the Doepfer quad vco paired with Sinfonian and it works amazingly . Add a wave folder , Res 4 and separate gates for each voice and there’s days of fun to be had . The Doepfer tracks really well and sounds great :sb:

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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by lisa » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:07 am

I use the Recovery Effects Jupiter Spirits as a simple and cheap solution. No bells nor whistles though. 🙂

I used to use Xaoc Batumi and Mutable Instruments Stages before. Worked well too.
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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by sleepmute » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:23 am

lisa wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:07 am
I used to use Xaoc Batumi
As an oscillator? I have a Batumi and O&C (they live next to each other), but I've never actually tried this.

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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by lisa » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:47 am

sleepmute wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:23 am
lisa wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:07 am
I used to use Xaoc Batumi
As an oscillator? I have a Batumi and O&C (they live next to each other), but I've never actually tried this.
Yep, just max out the faders and you have four 1v/o tracking audio oscillators. Used here, with Three Sisters:

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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by starthief » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:58 am

muddy ranks wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:41 pm
  • Synthesis Technology's E370 Quad Morphing VCO ($$$! also gigantic!)
It's excellent though, and 13.5 HP or $250 per oscillator is not unreasonable for something that high quality.

I personally never used it polyphonically; I used it in stereo, or used one or two voices to modulate another, also used it for LFOs and a noise source, etc.
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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by muddy ranks » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:47 pm

lisa wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:47 am
sleepmute wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:23 am
lisa wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:07 am
I used to use Xaoc Batumi
As an oscillator? I have a Batumi and O&C (they live next to each other), but I've never actually tried this.
Yep, just max out the faders and you have four 1v/o tracking audio oscillators. Used here, with Three Sisters:
WOW!! That's awesome! I didn't know Batumi does that! Also, that video example sounding great, Lisa!

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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by sleepmute » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:51 pm

Yeah, very pretty! I’ll have to try it later.

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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by Jumbuktu » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:49 am

muddy ranks wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:41 pm
  • Doepfer A-111-4 Quad Precision VCO (meh)
meh?

You get 3 different wave forms for each VCO, available simultaneously.
Each one has switchable linear/exponential FM and sync, and PWM for the square waves.
You can cross-modulate among them all to do something like 4-operator FM.
Octave switches and master controls round it all out.

To be clear, this is NOT primarily a LFO as one poster suggested. This module removes the LFO frequencies and provides good tracking over a reasonable range.

Doepfer's VCOs are generally pretty good, and the layout is clear and easily visible from any angle. What's not to like?

don't have one, but I have occasionally considered getting one to set up a powerful sequencing sub-system using my Z8000 and O&C for quantisation. I have a QU-BIT Contour for quad EG / LFO duty (and a Batumi). Just need to add the VCOs, a quad filter and a quad VCA.

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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by Arneb » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:05 am

Jumbuktu wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:49 am
To be clear, this is NOT primarily a LFO as one poster suggested. This module removes the LFO frequencies and provides good tracking over a reasonable range.
That poster was talking about the A-143-4, not the A-111-4 ;)

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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by Zijnzijn Zijnzijn! » Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:17 am

It's definitely niche but Mutable Instruments Edges (or the mini version Threshold that I use) is a fun good time. Very easily wrangled into being pretty

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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by Ceres » Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:54 pm

I didn’t see it mentioned, Humble Audio Quad Operator can be used as 4 independent v/oct oscillators.
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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by TEKBRAIN » Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:02 pm

E370 has its own chord system and input cvs can be quantized but it's easier to use it with the Harmonaig.

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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by behndy » Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:08 pm

jia. i just ordered a Doepfer Quad Precision VCO to go with my Harmonaig. having a bunch of different odd voices for each piece of a "chord" is nifty, but a small 4 voice osc to pair for main chord use is DELICIOUS.
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Re: Quad oscillators for use with quad quantizers?

Post by Jumbuktu » Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:27 pm

Arneb wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:05 am
Jumbuktu wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:49 am
To be clear, this is NOT primarily a LFO as one poster suggested. This module removes the LFO frequencies and provides good tracking over a reasonable range.
That poster was talking about the A-143-4, not the A-111-4 ;)
Sorry, point taken!

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