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Best quad VCA

Post by GIUFJ » Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:01 am

Helle fellow patchers.

I‘M looking for a good quality VCA. I am looking at MI, Intellijel and Doepfer quads.
I want a fairly clean result, not too much colouring of the sound.

I’d like your thoughts and experiences on the matter.
Do you ever use the pots? Or would the 8 slim version from doepfer with no pots be fine 9 out of 10 times?
Or 2 1u intellijels?
I don’t need it to double as an audio mixer. I’ve got enough of those. My case is linked below, if you want to see the rack I want the VCA’s for.

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Re: Best quad VCA

Post by helix » Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:41 am

I've got a Veils and a Doepfer a 135-2. Both are great. The veils is better as it's got potentiometer for response curve. This is super handy and i use it a lot, i wish the doepfer had the same. Setting to fully exponential also adds a lot of gain, but can make a sound a bit distorted.

That said, if you are planning to not need that, the doepfer is great and doesn't colour the sound. The Veils will colour the sound at high levels, but that's nice.

I do use the offset/initial gains often, but it depends on the patch. I'm glad to have both!

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Re: Best quad VCA

Post by GIUFJ » Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:06 am

cheers Helix

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Re: Best quad VCA

Post by helix » Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:19 am

I actually got my doepfer one to use as an audio mixer. i replaced the regular a138b i had as i was using VCA's before going into it. So i just didnt need the 138 after i got it. Saved me space. You might find you dont end up needing one of your mixers for audio use when you get one of these. :sb: Personally i wish i'd never got any mixers that didn't have VC over levels in them, as what's the harm in having the option? you might not need it in one patch, or most, but when you do, it's great to have. ( i know it makes it more expensive obviously) I've got some other passive mixers with attenuators i might just get rid to make more space for another quad vca mixer.

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Re: Best quad VCA

Post by GIUFJ » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:18 pm

I think I'll try out the doepfer
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Re: Best quad VCA

Post by xcc » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:24 pm

I’d highly recommend the ALM Tangle Quartet. A bit smaller, very clean.

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Re: Best quad VCA

Post by dros3raq » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:39 pm

Strange Science Instruments M4 Mixer is the best i've encountered. Intelligel Quad Vca is pretty good too.

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Re: Best quad VCA

Post by sendepause » Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:13 pm

L1 quad via is the beste there is.

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Re: Best quad VCA

Post by luchog » Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:29 pm

I currently use the Bubblesound VCA4p. Fairly clean, and having the linear/expo switch on each VCA makes it nicely flexible. Also has a mix out along with the individual outs, and decent ergonomics.

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Re: Best quad VCA

Post by exper » Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:25 pm

The intellijel Quad VCA is super clean, has no bleed, is super flexible and sounds great. highly recommended.
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Re: Best quad VCA

Post by greyscales » Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:03 pm

Intellijel Quad VCA is solid and clean (though you can push it with the boost switches).

If you don't need the offsets, ALM Tangle Quartet would be a better option for the hp. I'll probably make that swap at some point.

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Re: Best quad VCA

Post by jhjopq » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:41 am

sendepause wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:13 pm
L1 quad via is the beste there is.
I am also very happy with the L-1 Quad VCA. I like the feel and the output selection is good.

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Re: Best quad VCA

Post by BTG » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:49 pm

L-1 Quad -- super clean, but lin/exp is via dip switches or switches on back and lacks variable curve
Veils -- lin/exp, 12 hp, gain for days
Intellijel Quad VCA -- 12 hp, variable response curve, max of 6dB boost (vs 30+ dB on Veils)
Tangle Quartet -- sounds great, linear only, only 8hp
Cwejman VCA-4mx -- similar to L1-Quad (or vice versa), no control over lin/exp response curve
Doepfer A-135-2 -- very small (8 hp), linear only, cramped

I personally use Veils for everything
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Re: Best quad VCA

Post by atrostor » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:08 pm

BTG wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:49 pm
Tangle Quartet -- sounds great, linear only, only 10hp
Tangle Quartet is 8hp, to fix that for you.

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Re: Best quad VCA

Post by megarat » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:28 pm

I currently use an Intellijel Quad VCA and an ALM Tangle Quartet. They're both great, no complaints on either one.

That said, I'm excited for Doepfer's imminent release of the A-130-8. I might replace my Tangle Quartet with one of those to free up a couple of HP and get some additional no-frills linear VCAs.

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Re: Best quad VCA

Post by cg_funk » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:25 am

I really like MI Blinds. It's so super versatile, although it's a bit hard to zero out. However I don't use it to mute channels so that's not an issue for me.

Otherwise, yeah Intellijel QuadVCA will do the trick, the exp/lin knob is great for fine-tuning the response.

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Re: Best quad VCA

Post by Chopper » Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:08 pm

Veils for me. And I tried a few. All the options I need plus the gain is brilliant.

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Re: Best quad VCA

Post by GIUFJ » Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:26 pm

Thanks y'all for all your thoughts

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Re: Best quad VCA

Post by mixxalot » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:06 pm

Intellijel Quad VCA is great- been happy with mine.

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Re: Best quad VCA

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Re: Best quad VCA

Post by paranormind » Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:59 pm

I remember a similar discussion that occurred in the past (how surprising!), and one of the major talking points which hasn't been brought up here was the localization of the patch points. The TL;DR was:

You want them at the bottom -> Intellijel QuadVCA
You don't want them at the bottom -> Mutable Instruments Veils

For the former, now we have an interesting alternative with the new MI Veils, and fwiw I'm pretty happy with all these options: they give me what I want, they're reliable (durable), they're rather cheap (tons of second-hand Veils), and I have no complain.

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Re: Best quad VCA

Post by DSC » Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:10 pm

I jammed 8 into 8HP :tu:
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Re: Best quad VCA

Post by Strikemaster » Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:15 pm

1. Veils 2 - great size, like the faders. Sounds good.
2. Intellijel QuadVCA
3. ALM Tangle Quartet. Love the compact size and it sounds really good too.

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Re: Best quad VCA

Post by Rex Coil 7 » Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:33 pm

GIUFJ wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:01 am
... Doepfer quads.
Love mine ... four Doepfer A-135-1 ...
GIUFJ wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:01 am
.Do you ever use the pots? Or would the 8 slim version from doepfer with no pots be fine 9 out of 10 times?
... hell no! The ~knobs~ are a must. The A-135-1 has input gain knob, gain knob, and cv level input knob .. all per-channel. All of the inputs are normaled together, as are all of the CV inputs ... inserting a patch cable into one of the downstream CV ins breaks that normaled connection .. same goes for the input side. The output end has four individual outs and one sum out. Inserting a patch cable into any one of the individual outs removed it from the summed out. All of these normaled connections are defeatable by either removing or installing the supplied jumper links. I modified one of the four A-135-1s I have by soldering in toggle switches to replace all of the jumper links. One thing I like about the A-135-1 is the working space it offers around the knobs. That said, when I added those toggles I purposely used a bit wider blank panel so was to provide ~forced clearance~ between the toggle bats and the signal input jacks and level knobs of the quad VCA, as well as creating clearance between those toggles and any module that happens to get parked next to the toggle panels.

My preference, I made the call to use wider panels and I love it.
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Anyhow ... I've got my own ideas about what VCAs to use, and how to use them. I need the manual ~gain level~ control, along with input signal gain level and CV input level knobs.

VCAs that are "all jacks" (no knobs) will still need to have some modular HP space taken up by ~knobs~ somewhere other than right there at the VCA. Somehow the CV input levels must be attenuated, whether that happens in the VCA module or in some other module that must be patched to the VCA just to work the godammed thing. So either way you're going to have ~knobs~ somewhere in your system to control signal input levels, CV input levels, and static gain levels .. whether those controls and features are in the actual VCA module or in some other ancillary module, you're gonna have to deal with using HP space for those controls!
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Re: Best quad VCA

Post by studio460 » Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:38 pm

I'm thinking Veils for its acclaimed input-gain. Initially, I was going to go with the Intellijel Quad VCA, but I read here there's no input-gain, only attenuation. Wait. Is that correct? I just read the Quad's product description and it has a +6dB boost-switch.

My Phonogene's sample-playback can be real quiet and sometimes needs some gain for some reason (though, input comes in loud and clear). I'm currently compensating for this by increasing the gain on the MX-1 on its channel-strip.
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