Plaits - second and subsequent note issue

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Plaits - second and subsequent note issue

Post by Steve Richards » Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:09 am

Hi Folks,

I have a Plaits module which I really love, especially for the strings sounds it produces when using the Inharmonic string modelling algorithm. I can drive the module via Midi using my Disting 4 Midi to CV converter or directly from the CV (Pitch and Gate) outputs from my Arturia KeyStep 32 keyboard. However, no matter what settings I use, if I don’t fully release a first played note on the keyboard before pressing the next key, the second note does not fully sound - i.e. there isn’t a new gate opened (apologies if my terminology is suspect here!).

However, using either connection method when connecting to my Mother 32, I get a full new note which makes me think that it is perhaps not the midi signal or direct CV input from the keyboard that is causing the issue.

Is there something that I am missing here or is this normal behaviour?

Your input would be very much appreciated.

Thanks,

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Re: Plaits - second and subsequent note issue

Post by Agawell » Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:33 am

it's normal behaviour
the mom is basically always looking for a new note and always playing it, whereas plaits is not looking until the previous note is released
if you really want to change that then the plaits firmware is on github, you can always have a go at changing it
otherwise just be aware and work around it - send a shorter envelope (trigger) to the plaits for example, which will 'pluck' the string and decay, before the next note is played (ie ignore how long the note is pressed on the keyboard)

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Re: Plaits - second and subsequent note issue

Post by Steve Richards » Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:46 am

Thank you, great answer that makes perfect sense.

I have a Doepfer ADSR module so perhaps I can adjust this to get the effect I am seeking.

Much obliged to you!

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Steve

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Re: Plaits - second and subsequent note issue

Post by Foghorn » Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:05 am

MIDI..Ahh
That's your problem, trying to use digital stuff on an analog modular.
C'mon, get with the program.
Analogue, or is it analog?
Or, something like a Ladik U-031, gate to trigger converter to shorten the gates to pulses.
Well, I'm just guessing here but someone may chime in.

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Re: Plaits - second and subsequent note issue

Post by Agawell » Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:21 am

Steve Richards wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:46 am

I have a Doepfer ADSR module so perhaps I can adjust this to get the effect I am seeking.


If the effect you are seeking is notes overlapping on the plaits - then no you'd need rings for this
If the effect you are seeking is shorter notes on plaits, then maybe - try reducing the S & R to 0 or near 0

as foghorn suggested a gate to trigger module would also work

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Re: Plaits - second and subsequent note issue

Post by Agawell » Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:22 am

duplicate

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Re: Plaits - second and subsequent note issue

Post by starthief » Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:49 am

Some MIDI controllers, or MIDI to CV converters, can be set to not use legato (e.g. bring the gate low and then high again when you smoothly change notes).
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Re: Plaits - second and subsequent note issue

Post by Steve Richards » Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:42 pm

Foghorn wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:05 am
MIDI..Ahh
That's your problem, trying to use digital stuff on an analog modular.
C'mon, get with the program.
Analogue, or is it analog?
Or, something like a Ladik U-031, gate to trigger converter to shorten the gates to pulses.
Well, I'm just guessing here but someone may chime in.

foghorn
Yes, that's why I bought the KeyStep keyboard - it has lovely CV out ports! I will look into the Ladik U-031, gate to trigger converter, thanks!

Agawell wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:21 am

If the effect you are seeking is notes overlapping on the plaits - then no you'd need rings for this
If the effect you are seeking is shorter notes on plaits, then maybe - try reducing the S & R to 0 or near 0

as foghorn suggested a gate to trigger module would also work
Thank you, I will give this a try.
starthief wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:49 am
Some MIDI controllers, or MIDI to CV converters, can be set to not use legato (e.g. bring the gate low and then high again when you smoothly change notes).
Thank you, I will do some research into this.

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