otnemem wrote: ↑
Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:39 am
Lokua wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:24 pm
Keltie wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:24 am
Westlicht Performer. It’s a bit divey, and a bit deep. I’m still working with it at quite a surface level, tbh, but the potential is there, no doubt.
I second this. It's more playable than an elektron sequencer, that is westlicht got everything right where elektron didn't. It's got transposition, not loosing the "1" when changing pattern length to and fro, separating conditional triggers from probability, different divisions and scales per track, 4 CV in to top it off, plus more.
I would be quite curious to know what you mean by what Westlicht got right and Elektron didn't? Not trying to be sarcastic...really keen to hear about these differences. I have recently got a first Elektron device and found the sequencer to be quite playable and powerful. I'm also looking at whether the Performer could add to my current set up.
Sure thing I will elaborate. First, as an aside in all fairness I could have been a little less rude toward Elektron. It's not so much a matter of not getting things "right", although there is one very important thing it did absolute get wrong IMHO and that is mentioned in my original reply:
"not loosing the "1" when changing pattern length to and fro"
This is extremely important if you want to do polymetric sequencing and especially if you want to switch track lengths on the fly. If you do this on an Elektron Digitakt (and I assume this goes for all of their boxes), for example change a track's length from 16 to 3, and then change it back to 16, there is a very high chance that track will no longer by in sync with the other tracks that are 16 in length unless you have a hard pattern reset, which defeats the purpose (ie. you had a length of 3 but it reset every 16, it would no longer be polymetric). It's just wrong, and it's simple math to get right (the current step on a track should be the total count of steps since the transport start modulo the track's step length, always). Performer does not suffer from this. You can change from 7 to 11 and it will continue as if it was set to 11 the entire time and never be off even when changing patterns. It's the difference between queuing the next pattern to play after a certain count (which you can do on both) and immediate take over (which I'm pretty sure you cannot do with an Elektron box at all). This is absolutely amazing and should be considered standard behavior on all sequencers, but is often overlooked because - well I'm not sure why. You can really take advantage of this on the Performer's pattern page where you can play patterns live like a keyboard player (and I think you can also only change certain tracks between patterns instead of the whole pattern - WHAT!?!). Just to make this clear: if you have Pattern 1 with Track 1 set to length 5, and Pattern 2 with Track 1 also set to 5, if you just so happen to change to Pattern 2 immediately after Step 3 in Track 1's eyes has passed, Pattern 2 will take over right there at step 4, correctly.
So that's the one thing Elektron got "wrong" in my eyes. In no world do I want to change a tracks length and loose its relative offset from the start of the sequencer, but beyond that I want to change patterns on the fly mid-sequence without it just plain old falling off beat. Other things Performer does better than Elektron, and PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong, I know a new firmware was released for some of devices but haven't upgraded yet:
- Performer supports different track divisions per-track, and there are 16 different options (64ths up to 2 bars I believe as well as triplet variants for all of those). Elektron supports just half or double time for the entire pattern (something like that)
- Performer's trig conditions are separate from probability entirely (although I think Elektron's latest firmware improves on this a bit - I think it just made is easier to not have to scroll through the 100 probability values before selecting a trig condition)
So yeah, those are three things I think Performer got right in comparison to Elektron, but those are just the things that are fair to compare. I'm not listing pure features that Elektron lacks like song mode, transposing multiple steps at time, rotating steps absolutely or relatively, play directions, scale quantization, note ranges, length ranges.