NEW from La 67: LR4 VC Crossover

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NEW from La 67: LR4 VC Crossover

Post by lasesentaysiete » Thu May 21, 2020 10:56 am

I present the LR4 Crossover, a 3-way voltage controlled crossover in 6hp.

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I have had this idea for a while now, so I decided it was time to go ahead and release it. It will be available in July for the price of 125€.

Proper demos and a user guide are still to come. Meanwhile, I welcome any questions or comments :party:
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Re: NEW from La 67: LR4 VC Crossover

Post by Foghorn » Thu May 21, 2020 11:19 am

Cool.
It is a VC XO
I could use this for Tri-amping my sound system?
but why do I need voltage control over XO?
or, how would I use it?

thanks

Maybe I could use it because my stupid Beh XO (2496) keeps burning out
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Re: NEW from La 67: LR4 VC Crossover

Post by lasesentaysiete » Thu May 21, 2020 11:28 am

Foghorn wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 11:19 am
I could use this for Tri-amping my sound system?
but why do I need voltage control over XO?
or, how would I use it?
I suppose no one needs voltage control over a crossover ;)

But it can be used to add movement during multiband effecting, for example.

Putting the LR4 between a power amp and a 3-way speaker could also work, but its not quite as elegant as some of Mr. Pass' offerings in that regard.

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Re: NEW from La 67: LR4 VC Crossover

Post by lasesentaysiete » Fri May 22, 2020 9:16 am

I am happy to announce that Elevator Sound in Bristol will be carrying the LR4 (as well as the WFM).

Also, I will get around to some patch example videos of the LR4 next week.

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Re: NEW from La 67: LR4 VC Crossover

Post by Stice » Fri May 22, 2020 10:05 am

I’ve wanted a voltage-controller crossover for years, this is great. I intend to use it to set up different processing chains on different frequency bands, but I’m sure I’ll find other uses too.

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Re: NEW from La 67: LR4 VC Crossover

Post by lasesentaysiete » Fri May 22, 2020 11:05 am

Stice wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 10:05 am
I’ve wanted a voltage-controller crossover for years, this is great. I intend to use it to set up different processing chains on different frequency bands, but I’m sure I’ll find other uses too.
I’ve wanted one for a while, too. Multiband processing is often overlooked in hardware, I think.

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Post by Foghorn » Fri May 22, 2020 12:00 pm

So I could use this to "break out" three frequencies or frequency bands from a mono synth signal (or use 2 modules for stereo).
Then different processing could be applied to each frequency band.
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That would be good for adding reverb to just the high band signal or a delay to just the baseline.
Or I could use it in my sound system where I have some presently non-used low range amp and speaker sets. (subs)
Place those speakers far away and add some verb to it. Cool
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Now, I have to figure out what to use the voltage control for.
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Of course, this is also a state variable (multi-mode) filter where you can sweep the cut off with a CV.
It just doesn't have adjustable Q (resonance).
In other words a LP, BP, HP filter like say Ripples or Joranalogue filter 8,
but without adjustable resonance so it is probably much cleaner sounding.
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Exponential CV response, I wonder how well does it track the CV?

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Re: NEW from La 67: LR4 VC Crossover

Post by lasesentaysiete » Sat May 23, 2020 10:06 am

Foghorn wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 12:00 pm
Now, I have to figure out what to use the voltage control for.
I will make a few patch example video this week illustrating the use of CV over crossover frequency.

Foghorn wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 12:00 pm
Of course, this is also a state variable (multi-mode) filter where you can sweep the cut off with a CV.
It just doesn't have adjustable Q (resonance).
In other words a LP, BP, HP filter like say Ripples or Joranalogue filter 8,
but without adjustable resonance so it is probably much cleaner sounding.
In theory, the Linkwitz-Riley curve gives a flat frequency response if the outputs are summed. So yes, using the LR4 as a conventional 4-pole LP, HP, or even a variable-width BP give a pretty clean sound (relative to the input signal).
Foghorn wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 12:00 pm

Exponential CV response, I wonder how well does it track the CV?
It tracks CV at 1v/oct.

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Re: NEW from La 67: LR4 VC Crossover

Post by Leverkusen » Sat May 23, 2020 10:34 am

Hey, looks great! Is it possible to move the crossover points out of the audible range? Like fading in an effect by frequency by moving the upper crossover point down into the actual sound.

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Re: NEW from La 67: LR4 VC Crossover

Post by lasesentaysiete » Sat May 23, 2020 11:10 am

Leverkusen wrote:
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Hey, looks great! Is it possible to move the crossover points out of the audible range? Like fading in an effect by frequency by moving the upper crossover point down into the actual sound.
I am not sure I understand the question, so correct me if this does not apply :)

Both filters (i.e. crossover points) can sweep the entire 20-20k range, so it is possible to overlap the two filter and partially or completely eliminate a certain band. For example, if the low/mid crossover point is 1kHz, and the mid/high crossover point is 500Hz, there will be no output from the "mid" band.

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Post by Leverkusen » Sat May 23, 2020 12:51 pm

Yes, that's what I was thinking of. :)

Eliminating a band, patching it into an effect like echo and than slowly 'fade' it in again to let the echo come to full effect.

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Post by lasesentaysiete » Sat May 23, 2020 1:44 pm

Leverkusen wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 12:51 pm
Yes, that's what I was thinking of. :)

Eliminating a band, patching it into an effect like echo and than slowly 'fade' it in again to let the echo come to full effect.
Ah, ok. Yes, totally possible. For example, a variable-bandwidth bandpass is easy to patch because the CV inputs are normalled, and they each have an inverting attenuator. So, with one CV input, you can make one filter move up in frequency while the other moves down.

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Re: NEW from La 67: LR4 VC Crossover

Post by Leverkusen » Sat May 23, 2020 2:02 pm

Sounds interesting - doing the same just inverted on a second device would open up nice ways for spectral mixing and crossfading. Signals slowly appearing in the midrange of other signals and finally taking over the whole spectrum...

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Post by lasesentaysiete » Sat May 23, 2020 2:30 pm

Leverkusen wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 2:02 pm
Sounds interesting - doing the same just inverted on a second device would open up nice ways for spectral mixing and crossfading. Signals slowly appearing in the midrange of other signals and finally taking over the whole spectrum...
Well, about 2 years ago I had thought of using a circuit like the one in the LR4 in some sort of multiband processing module. I was thinking multiband compression, overdrive, plus a send/return in one module. Unfortunately, something like that would probably take up a lot of space. After a while I decided to just go ahead with the crossover portion, since any type of multiband processing starts with a crossover.

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Re: NEW from La 67: LR4 VC Crossover

Post by BugBrand » Sat May 23, 2020 2:52 pm

Nice little effect - a useful building block - & good you're working with Elevator Sound (just down the road from me).

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Re: NEW from La 67: LR4 VC Crossover

Post by lasesentaysiete » Sat May 23, 2020 3:16 pm

BugBrand wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 2:52 pm
Nice little effect - a useful building block - & good you're working with Elevator Sound (just down the road from me).
Cheers. I am definitely excited to have La 67 modules offered at Elevator Sound.

The BugBrand crossover has always intrigued--and inspired--me. Along with the Cwejman, it got me thinking about VC crossovers for synths. As you say, a building block for processing audio.

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Re: NEW from La 67: LR4 VC Crossover

Post by lasesentaysiete » Sun May 24, 2020 9:54 am

A few people have asked me for an explanation of how the circuit works. I am still preparing the official user guide, but below I have attached a crude version of the block diagram that will appear in that document.

Basically, the high pass output of the first SVF gives the "HI" band. The low pass output of the first SVF is input into the second SVF. The high pass output of the second SVF gives the "MID" band, and the low pass of the second SVF gives the "LO" band.
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Re: NEW from La 67: LR4 VC Crossover

Post by lasesentaysiete » Sat May 30, 2020 9:46 am

The preliminary "User Guide" is now up on my website: LR4 Crossover User Guide

As always, any questions or comments are welcome :)

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Re: NEW from La 67: LR4 VC Crossover

Post by nomass » Sat May 30, 2020 10:41 am

Seems like you could use this to — kind of — split out individual bands from a Cwejman Res 4.

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Post by lasesentaysiete » Sat May 30, 2020 11:45 am

nomass wrote:
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Seems like you could use this to — kind of — split out individual bands from a Cwejman Res 4.
I suppose you could try, but the Res-4 would have 4 "bands". The LR4 only has 3. You would also have to dial in the CV gains for each module pretty accurately. Not impossible, but it could get complicated. Cwejman has a 4-band crossover module. I have never used it and am not sure if its actually available, though.

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Re: NEW from La 67: LR4 VC Crossover

Post by nomass » Sat May 30, 2020 6:51 pm

One of the problems with the res 4 is that it doesn’t have individual outs per band. Seems like you could get three of them out with this. That sounds pretty good to me. :tu:

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Re: NEW from La 67: LR4 VC Crossover

Post by starthief » Sat May 30, 2020 7:39 pm

This is pretty neat. I can think of all kinds of uses for a crossover in modular.

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Re: NEW from La 67: LR4 VC Crossover

Post by pekbro » Sat May 30, 2020 8:37 pm

Definitely cool and on my radar.

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