the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

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the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by tuj » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:56 am

  • THOU SHALL USE POWER POLARITY PROTECTION.
  • THOU SHALL USE BOXED HEADERS ON POWER CONNECTORS.
  • THOU SHALL INCLUDE AN INDICATOR STRIPE ON ALL KNOBS.
  • THOU SHALL INCLUDE A PANEL REFERENCE OF KNOB POSITION (degree markings).
  • THOU SHALL MAKE THY PANEL WITH SLOTS NOT HOLES FOR MOUNTING.
  • THOU SHALL INDICATE INPUT AND OUTPUT JACKS CONSISTENTLY VIA THE PANEL MARKINGS.
  • THOU SHALL MAKE THY FIRMWARE USER UPDATE-ABLE.
  • THOU SHALL WRITE AND PUBLISH A USER MANUAL FOR THY MODULE.
  • THOU SHALL USE ACCURATE HP MEASUREMENTS / INCREMENTS.
  • THOU SHALL NOT MOUNT DEEP PCB'S PERPENDICULAR TO THE PANEL.

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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by LDT » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:56 am

  • Thou shalt be modest when choosing the size of thy name.
But then again, no. They can make their choises, as I can make mine.
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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by minatorymodular » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:02 am

Very much agree on slots and update-able firmware. Currently dealing with an issue regarding the latter.

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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by lisa » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:10 am

THOU SHALL ALWAYS DO WHAT THE USERS DEMAND, EVEN IF THE USERS HAS NO CLUE ABOUT ANYTHING

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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by EATyourGUITAR » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:11 am

ok but I get to make a list for customers that says you will always buy my modules even if raise my prices as a result of implementing all the feature requests. oh wait. can't do that. customers have no loyalty. they will buy whatever is cheaper. make noise plastic shaft pots for example. people building counterfeit mutable instruments modules with barely any experience.

easy firmware updates by the user can actually be impossible for microcontrollers that have no space left in flash for a bootloader. the manufacturer would need to move to a different more expensive microcontroller and port the source code over to the new platform. if the bootloader is write locked and the user administered firmware update is signed then this gets into encryption algorithms and a pile of dead chips during R&D. people are just tacking on $1000 or $10000 decisions made by a CEO like as if it was free. these commandments and these boycotts can put good companies and good modules off the market. be careful what you wish for.
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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by minatorymodular » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:50 am

Alright, but every other commandment wouldn't require a massive cost increase, just good design. Marking outputs and knob position, for example.

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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by pekbro » Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:10 am

I dunno, I for one appreciate high quality components and manufacturing and am willing to pay a premium for it generally.

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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by peachesandbacon » Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:30 am

SLOTS NOT HOLES!

Exactly this.
If I see one more hole on a Make Noise module that ends up creating a tiny gap between my modules, I'll lose it!

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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by luketeaford » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:08 am

I disagree with almost all of these, but I wouldn't buy a module that I know not to be protected against accidental patching of power and outputs to outputs etc. Even though I am careful, it is pretty easy to make mistakes (not so much connecting modules, but when patching or doing things with stackcables that would constitute patching an output to an output/using mults as a mixer however briefly. I am very uncareful when I unpatch 40-50 cables quickly.

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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by simka » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:13 am

tuj wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:56 am
  • THOU SHALL INCLUDE A PANEL REFERENCE OF KNOB POSITION (degree markings).
Besides some kind of zero/neutral point (where applicable) I actually prefer no markings like that. MAYBE something that indicates min and max position of knob travel, but generally - nope.

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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by a_b_d » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:38 am

Are there any serious non-power-related standards written down anywhere? Even though there would be no way to force adoption, it would be helpful, as a consumer, to quickly identify modules meeting certain basic design and functionality criteria.

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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by synonymist » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:43 am

tuj wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:56 am
  • THOU SHALL INCLUDE AN INDICATOR STRIPE ON ALL KNOBS.
Even on multi-turn pots? :despair:

Besides... "the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS"?


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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by drewfx1 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:22 pm

Thou shalt document all jumpers and trimmers, even if the user isn't meant to adjust them (you can document that too).

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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by mosorensen » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:28 pm

How about: "Thou module shall accept audio at 20V pp, but its output shall only be 10V pp, and it shall not clip in normal use (cough ... Three Sisters)"?

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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by Joey P. » Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:42 pm

RE: Manual

I don't care if a module doesn't come with a manual, but please allow us to download an actual PDF manual as opposed to an HTML guide (Squarp, Mutable...you listening).

I don't have a problem printing a manual when needed. If you have a double sided printer you can print a "booklet" which will fit 4 pages per sheet. Then use one of these to staple it: https://www.amazon.com/Stapler-Capacity ... 466&sr=8-4

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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by mskala » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:44 pm

If I did everything that armchair designers told me would be a good idea, I'd be out of business inside a month.

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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by a_b_d » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:49 pm

Sure, but there has to be some small, no-nonsense design and functionality guidelines which could greatly improve everyone's experience, right?

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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by mskala » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:10 pm

"No-nonsense design and functionality guidelines" that seem obvious to an end-user are often wrong when tested in real life. The space pen story is a good example: https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... nasa-spen/ "Use a pencil instead of a fancy expensive space-rated ballpoint!" sounds like a good idea, and isn't.

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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by Flounderguts » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:47 pm

You know, I'd like to see a central Wiki site with all the eurorack (or even all modular) documentation and updates/mods/etc. Hmmm....
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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by Rex Coil 7 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:52 pm

lisa wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:10 am
THOU SHALL ALWAYS DO WHAT THE USERS DEMAND, EVEN IF THE USERS HAS NO CLUE ABOUT ANYTHING

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+1 ... seems to be a mantra of sorts for some folks lately ...
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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by Rex Coil 7 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:03 pm

a_b_d wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:38 am
Are there any serious non-power-related standards written down anywhere? Even though there would be no way to force adoption, it would be helpful, as a consumer, to quickly identify modules meeting certain basic design and functionality criteria.
Yes, there is a "standard" of sorts that guide manufacturers ... it's consumer demand. "Forcing adoption" of given functions/features is easily enforced ... just don't buy modules that do not fit one's own criteria ... and DO buy modules that fit one's criteria. But to be honest, if we end up living in a world where "forced adoption" of synthesizer module features exist, I reckon I'll be building a lot of my own stuff from then on out! Just don't give your money to manufacturers that build shitty modules ... it's really that simple. Demand will dictate supply eventually, as long as consumers don't buy modules that are not designed well. Same goes for power distribution and power supply systems.

As long as we keep paying for shit, we're going to be fed shit. If you don't like eating shit, don't pay for shit.

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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by Yes Powder » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:09 pm

Only ones I agree on are "Slots Not Holes", and maybe the one about polarity protection.
As for the "Accurate HP Measurements", is that actually a problem? I don't think I've ever seen (or at least I don't own) a module that isn't the amount it says.

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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by mskala » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:16 pm

What's the rationale for wanting slots instead of (circular) holes?

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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by Yes Powder » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:21 pm

mskala wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:16 pm
What's the rationale for wanting slots instead of (circular) holes?
I've encountered a few times where for whatever reason, a module just won't screw into my rack. Like, one of the screw holes (only one out of four!) will be off just enough that I can't get a screw in because it's less than a millimeter out of alignment with my screw rails.
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Re: the Eurorack manufacturer COMMANDMENTS

Post by thetwlo » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:23 pm

25 years late.

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