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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by hawkfuzz » Sat Aug 22, 2020 9:33 am

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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by scottmfr » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:23 pm

The Bifold web page is up now with a couple new demo videos. One with a scope to show those waves being folded...

https://intellijel.com/shop/eurorack/bifold/

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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by megarat » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:27 pm

scottmfr wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:23 pm
The Bifold web page is up now with a couple new demo videos. One with a scope to show those waves being folded...

https://intellijel.com/shop/eurorack/bifold/
Nice, and the manual is up as well. Thanks for the update, I’m looking forward to its release.

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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by mattdennewitz » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:50 pm

looking forward to more, really sounds great - especially the crossfading between two sources.
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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by exper » Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:56 pm

So psyched to get this. So much functionality and sounds amazing.
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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by megarat » Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:06 pm

scottmfr wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:23 pm
The Bifold web page is up now with a couple new demo videos. One with a scope to show those waves being folded...

https://intellijel.com/shop/eurorack/bifold/
Out of curiosity, are the wavefolding circuits analogue or digital? I don’t see any mention of this on the web page or in the manual.

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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by intellijel » Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:54 pm

megarat wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:06 pm

Out of curiosity, are the wavefolding circuits analogue or digital? I don’t see any mention of this on the web page or in the manual.
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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by zerodivide » Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:00 pm

megarat wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:06 pm
scottmfr wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:23 pm
The Bifold web page is up now with a couple new demo videos. One with a scope to show those waves being folded...

https://intellijel.com/shop/eurorack/bifold/
Out of curiosity, are the wavefolding circuits analogue or digital? I don’t see any mention of this on the web page or in the manual.
literally signed in to ask this same question!

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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by silkynight » Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:24 pm

Also new umidi spotted in said video.

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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by megarat » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:02 pm

silkynight wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:24 pm
Also new umidi spotted in said video.
That’s another module I’m excited about. I already have a passive LPG ready to fill the empty space from my old uMIDI 1u.

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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by MikeLeeBirds » Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:46 am

I wanted the Bifold as soon as I saw it, but now Joranalogue is releasing a very sweet wavefolder in 4hp!
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https://joranalogue.com/products/fold-6

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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by brandonlogic » Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:33 am

MikeLeeBirds wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:46 am
I wanted the Bifold as soon as I saw it, but now Joranalogue is releasing a very sweet wavefolder in 4hp!
:eek:

Look cool but Bifold's features look much more appealing to me. Having both buchla and serge style folders in one module (both which i love), the crossfader, and the feedback routing. Joranalogue would be cool if you needed a folder in less hp but otherwise i think Bifold is where its at (for me personally).
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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by autopoiesis » Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:53 am

brandonlogic wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:33 am
MikeLeeBirds wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:46 am
I wanted the Bifold as soon as I saw it, but now Joranalogue is releasing a very sweet wavefolder in 4hp!
:eek:

Look cool but Bifold's features look much more appealing to me. Having both buchla and serge style folders in one module (both which i love), the crossfader, and the feedback routing. Joranalogue would be cool if you needed a folder in less hp but otherwise i think Bifold is where its at (for me personally).
I feel like we're getting off topic here but for what it's worth the Joranaogue module is also offering both the Buchla (parallel) and Serge (serial) flavors on separate outputs. that is the funny coincidence in these two releases.

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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by brandonlogic » Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:55 am

autopoiesis wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:53 am

I feel like we're getting off topic here but for what it's worth the Joranaogue module is also offering both the Buchla (parallel) and Serge (serial) flavors on separate outputs. that is the funny coincidence in these two releases.
OH! That is interesting! Yeah, some pretty direct competition! i'm still going for the bifold.

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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by megarat » Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:05 pm

As am I. The Fold 6 looks like a nice, tidy utility wavefolder, but the Bifold's routing, mixing and feedback options turn it into a "wavefolding laboratory", which I find highly appealing. I can get blissfully lost in the space created by a pair of VCOs and a ring modulator, so this is right up my alley. I even have a space for it carved out right next to my uMod II. I think they'll make excellent neighbors.

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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by naturligfunktion » Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:21 pm

Im very exited for this one. Naturally it seem to work wonders with the Rubicon and Dixie, but I imagine that it would make a great compliment to other VCOs as well
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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by brandonlogic » Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:34 pm

naturligfunktion wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:21 pm
Im very exited for this one. Naturally it seem to work wonders with the Rubicon and Dixie, but I imagine that it would make a great compliment to other VCOs as well
Anything with a sine or triangle output :tu:

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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by naturligfunktion » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:29 pm

brandonlogic wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:34 pm
naturligfunktion wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:21 pm
Im very exited for this one. Naturally it seem to work wonders with the Rubicon and Dixie, but I imagine that it would make a great compliment to other VCOs as well
Anything with a sine or triangle output :tu:
Why not go crazy and take a square 8-)
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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by brandonlogic » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:36 pm

naturligfunktion wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:29 pm
brandonlogic wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:34 pm
naturligfunktion wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:21 pm
Im very exited for this one. Naturally it seem to work wonders with the Rubicon and Dixie, but I imagine that it would make a great compliment to other VCOs as well
Anything with a sine or triangle output :tu:
Why not go crazy and take a square 8-)
Haha Sure, but tri/square are just essential imo.

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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by Rex Coil 7 » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:55 pm

naturligfunktion wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:21 pm
Im very exited for this one. Naturally it seem to work wonders with the Rubicon and Dixie, but I imagine that it would make a great compliment to other VCOs as well.
brandonlogic wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:34 pm
Anything with a sine or triangle output :tu:
~squint~ mmm ... not really. I've found that some oscillators don't take well to folding ... depends on the folder .. depends on the VCO .. and depends on the users' expectations. Well, let me put it this way .. different VCOs can/will sound different from one another when folded. Whether that difference is good or bad is up to the user. Some respond very positively, some do not.
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Why not go crazy and take a square 8-)
Well, that won't "go crazy" in fact it will produce less dramatic results compared with using a simpler/less complex waveform going in. It may not make much a difference at all since a square wave is already filling up all of the upper harmonics ... folding it seems as though all it would do would be to actually remove some harmonics. Then again, at some point wavefolding can just become distortion and lose all of the foldy goodness that was surrendered to harmonic distortion (maybe not on a scope, but that's what comes out of the speakers).

I'm guessing you guys already know all of this ... but less experienced readers may not. :)
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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by brandonlogic » Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:43 pm

Rex Coil 7 wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:55 pm
brandonlogic wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:34 pm
Anything with a sine or triangle output :tu:
~squint~ mmm ... not really. I've found that some oscillators don't take well to folding ... depends on the folder .. depends on the VCO .. and depends on the users' expectations. Well, let me put it this way .. different VCOs can/will sound different from one another when folded. Whether that difference is good or bad is up to the user. Some respond very positively, some do not.
:despair: maybe so, but in my experience, I've never had a sine wave from a particular oscillator not sound good with a specific wave folder in eurorack, which is way i said pretty much anything with sine or triangle output would benefit and likely work well with it. sure they can sound different depending on the purity of sine. the only things that's come up for me is when an oscillator might have a quieter or louder output (voltage range) than the folder is expecting, witch can easily be addressed with some utilities.
this could be true with some things i guess though, i have not tried every single osc and wave folder out there...
Rex Coil 7 wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:55 pm
brandonlogic wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:34 pm
Why not go crazy and take a square 8-)
fyi that was naturligfunktion's quote not mine, and i assume they were joking.
thanks for clearing it up for people that need clearing it up though :guinness:
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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by naturligfunktion » Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:48 pm

Rex Coil 7 wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:55 pm
*amazing knowledge regarding wavefolding*

I'm guessing you guys already know all of this ... but less experienced readers may not. :)
Actually, I dont :)

My only experience with wavefolding is with one complex oscillator (and as it turns out, the pot for the symmetry knob needs replacement :roll: ). With that in mind, I find wavefolding super interesting. The sounds are really something else
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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by Chaos215bar2 » Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:12 pm

Rex Coil 7 wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:55 pm
naturligfunktion wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:29 pm
Why not go crazy and take a square 8-)
Well, that won't "go crazy" in fact it will produce less dramatic results compared with using a simpler/less complex waveform going in. It may not make much a difference at all since a square wave is already filling up all of the upper harmonics ... folding it seems as though all it would do would be to actually remove some harmonics. Then again, at some point wavefolding can just become distortion and lose all of the foldy goodness that was surrendered to harmonic distortion (maybe not on a scope, but that's what comes out of the speakers).
Applying "perfect" wavefolding to a "perfect" square will just periodically attenuate, invert, attenuate, invert, etc. the signal, as many times as you have folding stages. The instantaneous transitions can't really be folded.

Reality will be a little more interesting, but not necessarily much. You'll mostly just get a an additional "wiggle" in the transitions for each folding stage.

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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by starthief » Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:20 pm

A square through a filter and then into a wavefolder can sound pretty rad though.

Also, with some wavefolders you can run a square in and get a square out... but as the fold amount changes, it kind of flips phase and does some interesting things under modulation (whether slow or audio rate).

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Re: New intellijel wavefolder/crossfader: bifold

Post by Estes » Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:30 pm

Reminds me of the Bastl Timber, that came out not long ago?

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