Studio Electronics Quadnic vs Doepfer A-111-4 vs 4x any oscillator

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Studio Electronics Quadnic vs Doepfer A-111-4 vs 4x any oscillator

Post by Andy137 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:29 am

I returned to question of 4 voice polyphony in eurorack. And have 2 contenders. Quadnic and A-111-4. Purpose is chord sequences or long chord pads. Quadnic is cheaper, so it's easy to buy earlier. Doepfer looks more flexible but has less waveforms. Also it has the whole infrastructure (Poly VCF, Poly VCA, Poly VC envelopes... And there's a simple alternative (the rack space desn't matter) - 4 oscillator (for example Dreadbox Hysteria). So what would you choose if the price is a strong factor?

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Re: Studio Electronics Quadnic vs Doepfer A-111-4 vs 4x any oscillator

Post by tvparcable » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:30 am

It depends how much you value the presence of independent vca etc per oscillator - I always thought the Doepfer was very intriguing, plus I always read that Doepfer VCOs track very well. If it's for chords you could also look into the Qubit Chord 2. You can use the VCOs independently as well, and it had the massive benefit of making your life super easy for pitch cv: you can e.g. set it to a minor scale and it will play all chords in that scale with the cv you send it being the root, instead of always the same chord but with a different pitch (house music style). This method will make the workflow easier and save you a ton of hp in terms of sequencers. I ended up selling mine because I realized I just don't necessarily use chords that much and I didn't really like the LED color-code workflow, but I do miss it sometimes.

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Re: Studio Electronics Quadnic vs Doepfer A-111-4 vs 4x any oscillator

Post by Raindeer » Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:07 am

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Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:29 am
I returned to question of 4 voice polyphony in eurorack. And have 2 contenders. Quadnic and A-111-4. Purpose is chord sequences or long chord pads. Quadnic is cheaper, so it's easy to buy earlier. Doepfer looks more flexible but has less waveforms. Also it has the whole infrastructure (Poly VCF, Poly VCA, Poly VC envelopes... And there's a simple alternative (the rack space desn't matter) - 4 oscillator (for example Dreadbox Hysteria). So what would you choose if the price is a strong factor?
Perhaps this is just my emotive reaction! But... Identical Quad VCO + Quad VCF + Quad VCA with Quad EG would seem a bit dull considering the possibilities available.

Polyphony with non-identical voices is pretty fun too and I think that’s the big strength of eurorack vs an off-the-shelf synth. So instead of 4x Hysteria perhaps consider four totally different cheap VCOs.

On the rest, I think multiple Envelopes and VCAs is important (assuming you have a separate trigger or gate per voice). But perhaps for VCFs and Effects just something interesting in stereo is enough.

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Re: Studio Electronics Quadnic vs Doepfer A-111-4 vs 4x any oscillator

Post by Phitar » Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:16 pm

Own Quadnic and Chord 2. No history with that particular Doepfer module though. For chords and pads I prefer the Qu bit Chord 2.
Quadnic can do poly fine but takes more prep time for tuning.
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Re: Studio Electronics Quadnic vs Doepfer A-111-4 vs 4x any oscillator

Post by helix » Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:23 am

I've been stuck on the fence for a while now, albeit a slightly different one.

I was thinking abotut the a-111-4 but then thought how having 4 waveforms isn't really that fun. You could get something like two Klavis twin waves which have all the standard waves plus much more, for not much more than the 111-4. Okay they're not as instant and controllable and analog, but that doesn't matter too much to me. Having the ability to have your root note a nice deep saw or square for the chunkiness, then the middle and top waves something else can give a nice shimmer, especially if you then just route the higher pitch notes to a delay/reverb, but not the root. Or any other effects.

The more i think about it the less i want the a-111-4 (even though i want both) and going digital for some of the make up of the chord just give you more flexibility

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Post by RichyHo » Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:42 am

I had the Quadnic. Very interesting sounds but I hated it due to having to 'set it up from scratch' each time I turned the synth on and this was by no means a trivial operation. YMMV. I settled on 2 x Klavis Twin Waves - that pair is a whole lot of quad oscillator in just 16hp. Again YMMV. I teamed them up with a Caltrans and Mixwitch.

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Post by mvdirty » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:10 am

A pair of Twin Waves do hit what I feel is a really nice sweet spot for this and other duties. 4HP per VCO, good waveform selection, some deeper features if you want to use them (though I rarely do,) and they offer great flexibility for when you aren’t in need of them for chords. People for some reason fear that they are divey I don’t find them to be that way at all, especially when using them for chord duty, as tuning, waveform selection and adjustment are not divey and are usually about as far as I need to go.

When I want to use the Twin Waves for other things, I also have a Supercritical Demon Core (with expander) which is absolutely fantastic for huge super saws (and square wave duty too, though it really comes into its own when in saw mode.) 1-16 note polyphony over MIDI or 1-4 over CV, you can allocate from 1 to 16 oscillators per note as you please, really great features for thickening the sound, and it even has internal (optional!) ADSRs and VCAs per note. Put even a simple filter downstream of it and you’re off to the races. If the price makes you balk, know that it can at times and in places be found discounted well.

(If those two are tied up then I can even bring my Edges (Threshold to be more accurate) to bear on the problem though I generally try to keep it free for other things.)

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Re: Studio Electronics Quadnic vs Doepfer A-111-4 vs 4x any oscillator

Post by sd_falter » Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:57 pm

RichyHo wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:42 am
I had the Quadnic. Very interesting sounds but I hated it due to having to 'set it up from scratch' each time I turned the synth on and this was by no means a trivial operation.
Phitar wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:16 pm
Quadnic can do poly fine but takes more prep time for tuning.


There is actually a way you can get all 4 voices set up for chords super quickly (under 10secs) if you have the V2 firmware. Shame it isn't actually documented anywhere.

Basically you set osc 1 to all zero settings, then goto the alternate master mode and everything is synced to master tune/level. (Alternate master is all 4 oscs lights on and the master light slowly glowing)

It's dumb and they should've just had all 4 oscs default to an identical setup but it does work and makes it a way less infuriating module to work with polyphonically.

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Re: Studio Electronics Quadnic vs Doepfer A-111-4 vs 4x any oscillator

Post by Mndscrpt » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:51 am

That's the thread i was looking for!
I'm deeply into 4 voice euro for years now.
It started with vermona qmi and the mfb triple osc.
From there on i was totally in love with mono/polyesque sequences. Having long releases on each note and put all together trough borg in LPG mode. I had the quadnic when it came out and wasnt happy with the UI. It was really time consuming to set it up. Now i got the doepfer quad vco together with ES fh-1 in round robin mode. It can sound huge, allthough the waves are very basic. I have the quad crossfader to blend the outputa of each voice. All goes trough the doepfer quad filter and quad vca, opened by klavis quadigy. Its a very versatile und fun setup.

What i like most on the doepfer are the octave switches per voice, it's very intuitive to work with. Tuning is stable after my own calibration.

But now i was also starting to think about 4 seperate vcos or two duals. The 1010music synthbox firmware came alao to my mind.
I will take a look into the klavis vco. I would need some utility modules around to get the same performance feeling tho.

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Re: Studio Electronics Quadnic vs Doepfer A-111-4 vs 4x any oscillator

Post by deft_bonz » Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:10 am

Maybe the new Instruo Saich could be a contender. It has some interesting features.

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Re: Studio Electronics Quadnic vs Doepfer A-111-4 vs 4x any oscillator

Post by Mndscrpt » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:00 am

deft_bonz wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:10 am
Maybe the new Instruo Saich could be a contender. It has some interesting features.
Sadly no seperate outputs as far as i can tell from pictures. Dunno about expansion in the future?

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Re: Studio Electronics Quadnic vs Doepfer A-111-4 vs 4x any oscillator

Post by deft_bonz » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:43 am

Mndscrpt wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:00 am
deft_bonz wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:10 am
Maybe the new Instruo Saich could be a contender. It has some interesting features.
Sadly no seperate outputs as far as i can tell from pictures. Dunno about expansion in the future?
Yeah, it's mixed into mono, which I find a bit sad. Stereo output with spread would have been great for such a module. Or you get 4 for the ultimate supersaw and spread it yourself. Costs just 2 grands :goo: :hihi:

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Re: Studio Electronics Quadnic vs Doepfer A-111-4 vs 4x any oscillator

Post by Andy137 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:28 am

Mndscrpt wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:51 am
That's the thread i was looking for!
I'm deeply into 4 voice euro for years now.
It started with vermona qmi and the mfb triple osc.
From there on i was totally in love with mono/polyesque sequences. Having long releases on each note and put all together trough borg in LPG mode. I had the quadnic when it came out and wasnt happy with the UI. It was really time consuming to set it up. Now i got the doepfer quad vco together with ES fh-1 in round robin mode. It can sound huge, allthough the waves are very basic. I have the quad crossfader to blend the outputa of each voice. All goes trough the doepfer quad filter and quad vca, opened by klavis quadigy. Its a very versatile und fun setup.

What i like most on the doepfer are the octave switches per voice, it's very intuitive to work with. Tuning is stable after my own calibration.

But now i was also starting to think about 4 seperate vcos or two duals. The 1010music synthbox firmware came alao to my mind.
I will take a look into the klavis vco. I would need some utility modules around to get the same performance feeling tho.
Now I think about 4x Behringer 921

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Re: Studio Electronics Quadnic vs Doepfer A-111-4 vs 4x any oscillator

Post by Mndscrpt » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:54 am

Haven't heard them yet. I was also thinking about 4x Dreadbox Hysteria but i think the Doepfer sounds phatter.
Klavis sounds cool and versatile but the mkii is not available yet.

The 1010music synthbox also looks nice. But ive been on their forum and the development stucked for years now. Its basically 4 voices of basic waveform plus 2 wavetables. But they have an internal vca and you would need a sustained gate to keep them on...

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Re: Studio Electronics Quadnic vs Doepfer A-111-4 vs 4x any oscillator

Post by metamorphmuses » Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:42 am

I had the Quadnic - actually it was the first module I ever bought - and I sold it after a few short months because I found its voices very thin and lacking in character. Soon after, I settled on an Instruo Troika in combination with an Instruo Ts-l, and I have been quite content with those four voices plus the wavefolder in the Ts-l. Total size in HP is 38 and that requires not insignificant allocation of space but it's been worth it for the richness of sound they bring together.

Earlier this year, for another rack entirely, I bought a Humble Audio Quad Operator and it is quite capable, but that also represents a commitment of 34 HP in space. Still, if you're looking for good polyphony, I think it's worth it to allocate the space. That said, I am thinking of replacing the Quad Operator with the Doepfer 111-4. Lately, I have been convinced that analog oscillators may be the key to a robust and character-full sound, but even aside from that conjecture, my experience with the Ts-l has definitely convinced me that the "secret sauce" I am looking for lies in combining all three of these ingredients: (1) four oscillators; (2) each with FM; (3) with at least one wavefolder in the mix. So, 111-4 plus an oscillator with wavefolding: I currently own a Kilpatrick 3021, but I am thinking of getting a Dannysound Cali Oscillator to replace it.

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Re: Studio Electronics Quadnic vs Doepfer A-111-4 vs 4x any oscillator

Post by Andy137 » Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:02 pm

metamorphmuses wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:42 am
I had the Quadnic - actually it was the first module I ever bought - and I sold it after a few short months because I found its voices very thin and lacking in character. Soon after, I settled on an Instruo Troika in combination with an Instruo Ts-l, and I have been quite content with those four voices plus the wavefolder in the Ts-l. Total size in HP is 38 and that requires not insignificant allocation of space but it's been worth it for the richness of sound they bring together.

Earlier this year, for another rack entirely, I bought a Humble Audio Quad Operator and it is quite capable, but that also represents a commitment of 34 HP in space. Still, if you're looking for good polyphony, I think it's worth it to allocate the space. That said, I am thinking of replacing the Quad Operator with the Doepfer 111-4. Lately, I have been convinced that analog oscillators may be the key to a robust and character-full sound, but even aside from that conjecture, my experience with the Ts-l has definitely convinced me that the "secret sauce" I am looking for lies in combining all three of these ingredients: (1) four oscillators; (2) each with FM; (3) with at least one wavefolder in the mix. So, 111-4 plus an oscillator with wavefolding: I currently own a Kilpatrick 3021, but I am thinking of getting a Dannysound Cali Oscillator to replace it.
Rather good idea.

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