1U Tiles - Did Intellijel bribe all these manufacturers or what?

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1U Tiles - Did Intellijel bribe all these manufacturers or what?

Post by khyber » Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:50 pm

Really enjoy having a bunch of 1U utility modules in my case, but it seems to be harder and harder to find manufacturers who are producing tiles in the Pulp Logic format.

After Later Audio, Plum Audio, Transient Modules, and a bunch of other great builders are keeping the format alive with new products but the tides seem to be shifting to manufactures only producing the Intellijel 1U format. Obviously it costs money for a company to produce 2 types of front panels for the same module but no one wants to build for Pulp Logic sized 1U rows anymore?

I assume customers are heavier on the Intellijel format than I would have imagined and it's a business decision for these companies at the end of the day to only do Intellijel size 1U tiles, but just kind of stinks as someone who owns Pulp Logic stuff to have to pass over these newer utility modules because they're 2mm too short to fit my case.

And yes, I could mount an Intellijel tile with some Befaco Knurlies or something, but I want Pulp Logic panels damn it!

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Re: 1U Tiles - Did Intellijel bribe all these manufacturers or what?

Post by filmersam » Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:41 am

Intellijel based their specs on euroracks current dimensional standards, so I'm guessing other manufacturers are seeing that as the new norm.

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Post by Chaos215bar2 » Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:53 am

filmersam wrote:
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Intellijel based their specs on euroracks current dimensional standards, so I'm guessing other manufacturers are seeing that as the new norm.
That, and Intellijel makes some pretty nice cases. I wouldn't expect manufacturer preference has much to do with anything other than what's selling.

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Post by HeWhoWantsJeans » Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:58 am

Plum Audio seems to support both formats and I believe Synsi only supports Pulp Logic.
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Post by XODES » Fri Nov 06, 2020 2:56 am

From the manufacturer point of view, dealing with multiple front panel (or any other part) options is a nightmare.

That's why we came up with this style of panels for the 1U modules, which fit both IJ & PL.

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Obviously you'll have some gaps on the top and bottom when using the module in a case at the PL standard.
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Post by teamhobson » Fri Nov 06, 2020 3:46 am

The popularity of the intellijel cases is likely to be a major factor. Especially now that the palette cases are out.

Ritual Electronics and Shakmat are releasing 1U modules in both formats, so there is still hope!

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teamhobson wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 3:46 am
The popularity of the intellijel cases is likely to be a major factor. Especially now that the palette cases are out.
... perzactly! ... people that got on the Pulp train were on the Beta side of that one (for you young'ns out there, that's a reference to the VHS vs Beta thing in the 1980s ... Beta lost .... supply and demand at full song on that one, same with Pulp vs Intellijel on this one). Pulp owners zigged, the rest of the planet zagged. Now Pulp resides with Beta, MOTM, Hz/Oct, and any number of other attempts to create ~standards~ that were awarded the Darwin Trophy.

My wife has an Intellijel 7U x 104hp case ... really an excellent construct to be honest. It's not difficult to imagine how Intellijel is winning on the 1U "Beta vs VHS" front ... so to speak.

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Post by kay_k » Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:44 am

I have an Intellijel case, hence my modules are that size.

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Post by andybizarre » Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:56 am

teamhobson wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 3:46 am
The popularity of the intellijel cases is likely to be a major factor. Especially now that the palette cases are out.
That, and the fact that Intellijel is pushing the format with comparatively cheap modules. For example, the 1U BuffMult, Quadratt and Steppy offer more or the same than their 3U counterparts for less money. I don`t own any of their factory made cases, but for my DIY 13U 126HP cases I also chose Intellijel 1U.

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Post by Fabong » Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:09 am

Was definitely shady what Intellijel did to PL, it's why I would never buy a module from them, but that's just business I guess. If I was a manufacturer I'd produce the PL format tiles but can't blame anyone for going where the money is.
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Post by andybizarre » Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:35 am

Fabong wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:09 am
Was definitely shady what Intellijel did to PL, it's why I would never buy a module from them, but that's just business I guess. If I was a manufacturer I'd produce the PL format tiles but can't blame anyone for going where the money is.
Definitely not shady. AFAIK this was a decision solely based on technical reasons. Intellijel is 1U by standard rack units, but offers 2mm less space between rails. Vermona did their own tile format, it didn`t work out and no one was blamed for it.

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Post by Fabong » Fri Nov 06, 2020 7:39 am

andybizarre wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:35 am
Fabong wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:09 am
Was definitely shady what Intellijel did to PL, it's why I would never buy a module from them, but that's just business I guess. If I was a manufacturer I'd produce the PL format tiles but can't blame anyone for going where the money is.
Definitely not shady. AFAIK this was a decision solely based on technical reasons. Intellijel is 1U by standard rack units, but offers 2mm less space between rails. Vermona did their own tile format, it didn`t work out and no one was blamed for it.
There was no technical reason to not use the PL format; nobody is putting 1U tiles in anything but a eurorack case so conforming exactly to 1U height is an arbitrary decision. They introduced a slightly different format to push a competitor out of the market, they're not the first business to do it and they won't be the last.
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Post by khyber » Fri Nov 06, 2020 7:46 am

HeWhoWantsJeans wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:58 am
Plum Audio seems to support both formats and I believe Synsi only supports Pulp Logic.
Most of Plum's 1U products do come in both formats, though the newer ones (such as their latest iteration of Temps Utile) are only being offered with Intellijel panels. I know Shae has gotten a lot of feedback about producing both styles but seems reluctant to do so for now. Again, I can't blame him if 75% of his customers are buying Intellijel, but creating a panel that could support both seems to be the pragmatic solution (as another poster in this thread alluded to)

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Post by XiXora » Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:52 am

Fabong wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 7:39 am
There was no technical reason to not use the PL format; nobody is putting 1U tiles in anything but a eurorack case so conforming exactly to 1U height is an arbitrary decision. They introduced a slightly different format to push a competitor out of the market, they're not the first business to do it and they won't be the last.
Not that arbitrary as they wanted their first set of cases to fit as a rack unit…

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Post by Arneb » Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:57 am

Fabong wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:09 am
Was definitely shady what Intellijel did to PL,
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There was no technical reason to not use the PL format; nobody is putting 1U tiles in anything but a eurorack case so conforming exactly to 1U height is an arbitrary decision.
Actually, there was a very valid semi-technical reason: From the perspective of a company like IJ which caters to non-DIY folks and modular newbies who just want a suitcase-form-factor case, it is desirable to not have to deal with PL's weirdo power connectors.

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Post by ersatzplanet » Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:08 am

ALL 3U Eurorack modules don’t fit the rack standards for the very same reason that intelligel modules don’t fit the 1U standard. Intellijel uses rails with lips just like Doepfer does and this makes the panels smaller. EVERYONE who makes cabinets with Vector or other rails without lips, HAS to move them closer than the 3U dimensions to make them work. Intellijel already made cabinets with the decorative rails before 1U was a format. They were not going to buy separate rails just for the cabinets that had 1U sections. Pulp logic just should have moved their rails closer together just like they had been doing with their 3U products.
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Post by andybizarre » Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:13 am

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There was no technical reason to not use the PL format; nobody is putting 1U tiles in anything but a eurorack case so conforming exactly to 1U height is an arbitrary decision.
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Post by autopoiesis » Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:18 am

Arneb wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:57 am
Fabong wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:09 am
Was definitely shady what Intellijel did to PL,
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Fabong wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 7:39 am
There was no technical reason to not use the PL format; nobody is putting 1U tiles in anything but a eurorack case so conforming exactly to 1U height is an arbitrary decision.
Actually, there was a very valid semi-technical reason: From the perspective of a company like IJ which caters to non-DIY folks and modular newbies who just want a suitcase-form-factor case, it is desirable to not have to deal with PL's weirdo power connectors.
that's a red herring. the height specification has nothing to do with the power connectors. for example, Circuit Abbey has made 1U tiles in the PL height spec that make direct standard busboard connections (which, I'll add, obviously doesn't scale well when you have lots of 6hp tiles in a row)

this discussion has already been done to death and there's no point in throwing accusations around or even in trying to declare one "side" as being technically correct. the reality is that there are thousands of expensive cases out in the wild that have 1U rows designed for the PL height spec, so the demand for tiles in this spec won't go away. and also that Pulp Logic himself offers the most useful and varied set of utilities in 1U.

coexistence of these specs is a pain in the ass to support but it seems to be the only way forward. I'm happy to see manufacturers making both PL and IJ spec versions of their 1U modules, as well as the height adapter solutions.

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Post by comacomfort » Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:27 am

XiXora wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:52 am
Fabong wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 7:39 am
There was no technical reason to not use the PL format; nobody is putting 1U tiles in anything but a eurorack case so conforming exactly to 1U height is an arbitrary decision. They introduced a slightly different format to push a competitor out of the market, they're not the first business to do it and they won't be the last.
Not that arbitrary as they wanted their first set of cases to fit as a rack unit…
Exactly. If anything pulp logic was shady ones for not conforming to the existing 1u rackmount standard

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comacomfort wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:27 am
XiXora wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:52 am
Fabong wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 7:39 am
There was no technical reason to not use the PL format; nobody is putting 1U tiles in anything but a eurorack case so conforming exactly to 1U height is an arbitrary decision. They introduced a slightly different format to push a competitor out of the market, they're not the first business to do it and they won't be the last.
Not that arbitrary as they wanted their first set of cases to fit as a rack unit…
Exactly. If anything pulp logic was shady ones for not conforming to the existing 1u rackmount standard
Second this.

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Pulp logic - uses custom dimensions
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Post by docile fossil » Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:39 am

XODES wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 2:56 am
From the manufacturer point of view, dealing with multiple front panel (or any other part) options is a nightmare.

That's why we came up with this style of panels for the 1U modules, which fit both IJ & PL.

[snip]

Obviously you'll have some gaps on the top and bottom when using the module in a case at the PL standard.
this is dang cool. kudos for solving a design issue in a low-impact way.

deviation from an established standard, unless it has some real benefit, sounds like endless, needless headaches.
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docile fossil wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:39 am
deviation from an established standard, unless it has some real benefit, sounds like endless, needless headaches.
Even if the 'deviation' corrects the format back to the standard set by Doepfer? This is all part of advancement. How many modular size formats were left in the dust by newer advances and eurorack domination?

I'm glad Intellijel perfected the format by not needing extra power connector solutions, making them for the most part actual modules instead of tiny single-use tiles. The amount of space I save (by having Quadratt/Duatts, Audio I/O, Midi, Sequencing, and Noise/Sample&Hold/Slew) is priceless. I never was compelled to get a case just to use the PL format tiles.

But again, this has all been hashed out a ton already.

To the OP, I think it's simply that fact that Intellijel's cases became a huge hit with eurorack users. They're almost ubiquitous at this point. Not only for the superior power, but also for light weight and design aesthetics. I have a pair of 7U cases and a pair of Palettes and couldn't be happier with them.
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Post by hinterlands303 » Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:59 am

comacomfort wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:27 am
XiXora wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:52 am
Fabong wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 7:39 am
There was no technical reason to not use the PL format; nobody is putting 1U tiles in anything but a eurorack case so conforming exactly to 1U height is an arbitrary decision. They introduced a slightly different format to push a competitor out of the market, they're not the first business to do it and they won't be the last.
Not that arbitrary as they wanted their first set of cases to fit as a rack unit…
Exactly. If anything pulp logic was shady ones for not conforming to the existing 1u rackmount standard
But the Pulp Logic tiles DO fit in a standard 1u studio rack space. I’ve got two 1u rows full of Pulp Logic tiles racked up in a standard studio rack case.

For the record I don’t think Intellijel did anything shady. Euro barely has any standards to begin with and 1u is a further offshoot of that - it’s basically a new format. There are bound to be incompatibilities.

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