Euro synth finished

[Ab_e]

Also interesting you chose to use "the vapors" here given its rich mysogynistic history: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vapours_(disease)

[crowleywaltz]

Well, all you're really doing there is giving an example of why the forum name SHOULD be changed. And no one's 'catching the vapors' (a phrase that is also loaded with sexist meaning but we'll set that aside for now) over the usage, just pointing out that it should be avoided.

[glennfin]

Yup, thanks @crowleywaltz

@adaris -- perfect, exactly. Lets change it to something nice.

Yea, that's not gonna happen..

[adaris]

You guys have found me out, I'm just a rampant sexist lol.

I was using "caught the vapors" in a tongue in cheek manner because I think you guys are making a big deal out of nothing. I was unaware of it's Victorian origins.

Gendered insults are never going to disappear, whether its "prick", "dick", or yes, "cunt". Getting upset over a user joking about changing their name to "cuntycousin" is performative political correctness IMO, especially given the international nature of this board.

[crowleywaltz]

No one is calling anyone a sexist, just pointing out that these words and phrases are loaded. And attitudes like that are WHY we have problems growing beyond these things. Saying 'we'll never get past it so it doesn't matter' is just the snake eating its own damn tail.

Look, the thing is, you don't have to agree that things are offensive. No one is asking that. All that is being asked is that when people say 'hey, we find this offensive' you say 'oh, okay, I won't use that word/phrase then'. It literally costs you nothing to respect other people when they tell you that it's hurtful.

[adaris]

No one is calling anyone a sexist, just pointing out that these words and phrases are loaded. And attitudes like that are WHY we have problems growing beyond these things. Saying 'we'll never get past it so it doesn't matter' is just the snake eating its own damn tail.

Look, the thing is, you don't have to agree that things are offensive. No one is asking that. All that is being asked is that when people say 'hey, we find this offensive' you say 'oh, okay, I won't use that word/phrase then'. It literally costs you nothing to respect other people when they tell you that it's hurtful.

And what I am saying is that getting bent out of shape over things that don't matter hinders progress on things that do matter. Someone joking about calling themselves "cuntycousin" doesn't matter. At all. If that offends you then you are getting offended over the wrong things.

[ATW]

No one is calling anyone a sexist, just pointing out that these words and phrases are loaded. And attitudes like that are WHY we have problems growing beyond these things. Saying 'we'll never get past it so it doesn't matter' is just the snake eating its own damn tail.

Look, the thing is, you don't have to agree that things are offensive. No one is asking that. All that is being asked is that when people say 'hey, we find this offensive' you say 'oh, okay, I won't use that word/phrase then'. It literally costs you nothing to respect other people when they tell you that it's hurtful.

And what I am saying is that getting bent out of shape over things that don't matter hinders progress on things that do matter. Someone joking about calling themselves "cuntycousin" doesn't matter. At all. If that offends you then you are getting offended over the wrong things.

No, this POV is hot garbage. Dismissive, gaslighting—please take it somewhere else. Like crowleywaltz wrote, it costs nothing to respect others. Set a higher bar, otherwise it poisons the well for others.

[adaris]

No one is calling anyone a sexist, just pointing out that these words and phrases are loaded. And attitudes like that are WHY we have problems growing beyond these things. Saying 'we'll never get past it so it doesn't matter' is just the snake eating its own damn tail.

Look, the thing is, you don't have to agree that things are offensive. No one is asking that. All that is being asked is that when people say 'hey, we find this offensive' you say 'oh, okay, I won't use that word/phrase then'. It literally costs you nothing to respect other people when they tell you that it's hurtful.

And what I am saying is that getting bent out of shape over things that don't matter hinders progress on things that do matter. Someone joking about calling themselves "cuntycousin" doesn't matter. At all. If that offends you then you are getting offended over the wrong things.

No, this POV is hot garbage. Dismissive, gaslighting—please take it somewhere else. Like crowleywaltz wrote, it costs nothing to respect others. Set a higher bar, otherwise it poisons the well for others.

No, you're wrong. I haven't done anything to disrespect others, and I haven't "poisoned" any well. You can choose to get offended over anything you like, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to tip-toe around your personal sensibilities. Especially on the fucking internet.

[crowleywaltz]

No one is calling anyone a sexist, just pointing out that these words and phrases are loaded. And attitudes like that are WHY we have problems growing beyond these things. Saying 'we'll never get past it so it doesn't matter' is just the snake eating its own damn tail.

Look, the thing is, you don't have to agree that things are offensive. No one is asking that. All that is being asked is that when people say 'hey, we find this offensive' you say 'oh, okay, I won't use that word/phrase then'. It literally costs you nothing to respect other people when they tell you that it's hurtful.

And what I am saying is that getting bent out of shape over things that don't matter hinders progress on things that do matter. Someone joking about calling themselves "cuntycousin" doesn't matter. At all. If that offends you then you are getting offended over the wrong things.

No, this POV is hot garbage. Dismissive, gaslighting—please take it somewhere else. Like crowleywaltz wrote, it costs nothing to respect others. Set a higher bar, otherwise it poisons the well for others.

No, you're wrong. I haven't done anything to disrespect others, and I haven't "poisoned" any well. You can choose to get offended over anything you like, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to tip-toe around your personal sensibilities. Especially on the fucking internet.

So when someone says they think you're being disrespectful, your response is to basically go 'nuh-uh', plug your ears and tell them they're 'choosing' to be offended. Okay buddy.

[adaris]

No one is calling anyone a sexist, just pointing out that these words and phrases are loaded. And attitudes like that are WHY we have problems growing beyond these things. Saying 'we'll never get past it so it doesn't matter' is just the snake eating its own damn tail.

Look, the thing is, you don't have to agree that things are offensive. No one is asking that. All that is being asked is that when people say 'hey, we find this offensive' you say 'oh, okay, I won't use that word/phrase then'. It literally costs you nothing to respect other people when they tell you that it's hurtful.

And what I am saying is that getting bent out of shape over things that don't matter hinders progress on things that do matter. Someone joking about calling themselves "cuntycousin" doesn't matter. At all. If that offends you then you are getting offended over the wrong things.

No, this POV is hot garbage. Dismissive, gaslighting—please take it somewhere else. Like crowleywaltz wrote, it costs nothing to respect others. Set a higher bar, otherwise it poisons the well for others.

No, you're wrong. I haven't done anything to disrespect others, and I haven't "poisoned" any well. You can choose to get offended over anything you like, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to tip-toe around your personal sensibilities. Especially on the fucking internet.

So when someone says they think you're being disrespectful, your response is to basically go 'nuh-uh', plug your ears and tell them they're 'choosing' to be offended. Okay buddy.

Ok, so suppose someone on this board was born out of wedlock. I would assume that's got to be true of some users. For argument's sake, let's just say I'm one of them. Apparently none of you are offended by the username "unclebastard", but maybe that username triggers hurtful memories for me. Would it be reasonable of me to tell "unclebastard" to change his username? If I ask him to and he refuses, is he being disrespectful? Is he "poisoning the well"? Or should I maybe develop a thicker skin and realize that not everything is about me, and that some battles are worth fighting, and others are not?

[Genox]

Wow that thread took a turn!

[crowleywaltz]

No one is calling anyone a sexist, just pointing out that these words and phrases are loaded. And attitudes like that are WHY we have problems growing beyond these things. Saying 'we'll never get past it so it doesn't matter' is just the snake eating its own damn tail.

Look, the thing is, you don't have to agree that things are offensive. No one is asking that. All that is being asked is that when people say 'hey, we find this offensive' you say 'oh, okay, I won't use that word/phrase then'. It literally costs you nothing to respect other people when they tell you that it's hurtful.

And what I am saying is that getting bent out of shape over things that don't matter hinders progress on things that do matter. Someone joking about calling themselves "cuntycousin" doesn't matter. At all. If that offends you then you are getting offended over the wrong things.

No, this POV is hot garbage. Dismissive, gaslighting—please take it somewhere else. Like crowleywaltz wrote, it costs nothing to respect others. Set a higher bar, otherwise it poisons the well for others.

No, you're wrong. I haven't done anything to disrespect others, and I haven't "poisoned" any well. You can choose to get offended over anything you like, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to tip-toe around your personal sensibilities. Especially on the fucking internet.

So when someone says they think you're being disrespectful, your response is to basically go 'nuh-uh', plug your ears and tell them they're 'choosing' to be offended. Okay buddy.

Ok, so suppose someone on this board was born out of wedlock. I would assume that's got to be true of some users. For argument's sake, let's just say I'm one of them. Apparently none of you are offended by the username "unclebastard", but maybe that username triggers hurtful memories for me. Would it be reasonable of me to tell "unclebastard" to change his username? If I ask him to and he refuses, is he being disrespectful? Is he "poisoning the well"? Or should I maybe develop a thicker skin and realize that not everything is about me, and that some battles are worth fighting, and others are not?

Well, first of all, bastard is very rarely used to indicate someone born out of wedlock these days. Secondly, if it really offended someone, I'd have no problem with asking someone to change their username. Thirdly, you're suggesting that entire groups of people just 'get over' being treated like second class citizens, which is pretty gross, and suggesting that institutionalized sexism/racism/homophobia/etc are the problem of the individual rather than accepting that we as a society are doing something wrong. It's pretty obvious to me who needs to get over it.

[Peng33]

Complain to the admins about the site name, then, too. That is also privilege if you want to look at it that way.

[NARC NOISE]

The entire 2nd page should be copied and pasted to the end of every thread. Every thread seems to end up like this now. The Euro subforum seems to be all, A: people bickering about word police issues, and B: everyoneone have the attention span of children and jerking off to the next new toy, probably not realizing they already have something that does the same thing.

[adaris]

No one is calling anyone a sexist, just pointing out that these words and phrases are loaded. And attitudes like that are WHY we have problems growing beyond these things. Saying 'we'll never get past it so it doesn't matter' is just the snake eating its own damn tail.

Look, the thing is, you don't have to agree that things are offensive. No one is asking that. All that is being asked is that when people say 'hey, we find this offensive' you say 'oh, okay, I won't use that word/phrase then'. It literally costs you nothing to respect other people when they tell you that it's hurtful.

And what I am saying is that getting bent out of shape over things that don't matter hinders progress on things that do matter. Someone joking about calling themselves "cuntycousin" doesn't matter. At all. If that offends you then you are getting offended over the wrong things.

No, this POV is hot garbage. Dismissive, gaslighting—please take it somewhere else. Like crowleywaltz wrote, it costs nothing to respect others. Set a higher bar, otherwise it poisons the well for others.

No, you're wrong. I haven't done anything to disrespect others, and I haven't "poisoned" any well. You can choose to get offended over anything you like, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to tip-toe around your personal sensibilities. Especially on the fucking internet.

So when someone says they think you're being disrespectful, your response is to basically go 'nuh-uh', plug your ears and tell them they're 'choosing' to be offended. Okay buddy.

Ok, so suppose someone on this board was born out of wedlock. I would assume that's got to be true of some users. For argument's sake, let's just say I'm one of them. Apparently none of you are offended by the username "unclebastard", but maybe that username triggers hurtful memories for me. Would it be reasonable of me to tell "unclebastard" to change his username? If I ask him to and he refuses, is he being disrespectful? Is he "poisoning the well"? Or should I maybe develop a thicker skin and realize that not everything is about me, and that some battles are worth fighting, and others are not?

Thirdly, you're suggesting that entire groups of people just 'get over' being treated like second class citizens, which is pretty gross, and suggesting that institutionalized sexism/racism/homophobia/etc are the problem of the individual rather than accepting that we as a society are doing something wrong. It's pretty obvious to me who needs to get over it.

That's not what I'm suggesting at all, and this is yet another example of your own performative political correctness. What I'm suggesting is that policing harmless uses of the word "cunt" on the internet has fuckall to do with combating institutionalized sexism.

[Peng33]

Countdown until the thread is locked or pruned...three...two...one...

[crowleywaltz]

That's not what I'm suggesting at all, and this is yet another example of your own performative political correctness. What I'm suggesting is that policing harmless uses of the word "cunt" on the internet has fuckall to do with combating institutionalized sexism.

People don't like the word and consider it sexist. The end. Not being aimed at a particular person in this instance doesn't make it less sexist.

[Peng33]

Not trying to instigate, but what is your opinion on the word "moist"?

[adaris]

That's not what I'm suggesting at all, and this is yet another example of your own performative political correctness. What I'm suggesting is that policing harmless uses of the word "cunt" on the internet has fuckall to do with combating institutionalized sexism.

People don't like the word and consider it sexist. The end. Not being aimed at a particular person in this instance doesn't make it less sexist.

People = you. How about "dick" and "prick", are they sexist? Of course they are. And yet women use them all the time. The end.

Do I think a woman is sexist if she says that Rush Limbaugh was a prick? No, I don't. I think she's right. But I also think it's possible to use the word "cunt" occasionally without being sexist. You don't have to agree, that's fine. But you aren't the final arbiter of what's offensive and what isn't, or what's reasonable and what isn't, no one person is.

[crowleywaltz]

That's not what I'm suggesting at all, and this is yet another example of your own performative political correctness. What I'm suggesting is that policing harmless uses of the word "cunt" on the internet has fuckall to do with combating institutionalized sexism.

People don't like the word and consider it sexist. The end. Not being aimed at a particular person in this instance doesn't make it less sexist.

People = you. How about "dick" and "prick", are they sexist? Of course they are. And yet women use them all the time. The end.

Do I think a woman is sexist if she says that Rush Limbaugh was a prick? No, I don't. I think she's right. But I also think it's possible to use the word "cunt" occasionally without being sexist. You don't have to agree, that's fine. But you aren't the final arbiter of what's offensive and what isn't, or what's reasonable and what isn't, no one person is.

And yet I wasn't the one who called out the first instance of the word. And multiple other people in the thread have agreed. And I'm saying once again that I don't think you have to agree, but that I do expect the common courtesy of respecting others when they say it's sexist. I'm bowing out because we're going in circles now (considering I've already discussed the issue of agreement and stated that male terms are not loaded the way ones directed towards women are). Hope the OP gets some help with his synth.

[adaris]

That's not what I'm suggesting at all, and this is yet another example of your own performative political correctness. What I'm suggesting is that policing harmless uses of the word "cunt" on the internet has fuckall to do with combating institutionalized sexism.

People don't like the word and consider it sexist. The end. Not being aimed at a particular person in this instance doesn't make it less sexist.

People = you. How about "dick" and "prick", are they sexist? Of course they are. And yet women use them all the time. The end.

Do I think a woman is sexist if she says that Rush Limbaugh was a prick? No, I don't. I think she's right. But I also think it's possible to use the word "cunt" occasionally without being sexist. You don't have to agree, that's fine. But you aren't the final arbiter of what's offensive and what isn't, or what's reasonable and what isn't, no one person is.

And yet I wasn't the one who called out the first instance of the word. And multiple other people in the thread have agreed. And I'm saying once again that I don't think you have to agree, but that I do expect the common courtesy of respecting others when they say it's sexist. I'm bowing out because we're going in circles now (considering I've already discussed the issue of agreement and stated that male terms are not loaded the way ones directed towards women are). Hope the OP gets some help with his synth.

Well personally I don't think the word "cunt" is nearly as loaded as you and others want to pretend it is. So I will agree to disagree, and bow out of the discussion as well.

[wonkychris]

I am really sorry I joked using the c word

Henceforth I shall be known as knobbynutsack!

Didn't really see the rest of the thread so did anyone talk about finishing off their rack?

[xcc]

OMG please stop

[glennfin]

Hey, here's an idea.... how about getting back on topic?