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Post by Kawouddd » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:20 am

Persistently disappointed by Harmonaig / Saïch if I’m honest. Keep on feeling that I should be able to get some really good value out of them, but bastard Harmonaig’s tuning and quantisation of incoming CV is just out enough to leave it making some really janky and jarring dissonances (the set up requires buffering incoming cv then attenuating it down, which is invariably a time consuming mess(, whilst Saïch is usually around the right place in terms of tuning, but can wobble, and can be really disappointing too.

It is a better fix for polyphony (or single polyphonic voices) than 4 discrete VCOs, but realistically the combination has left me thinking I should probably just stick to accepting eurorack as best with monophonic voices.

Edit: and plaits. I know thats a very generic response. I find it so worked through that I have no use for it. I keep on meaning to go back and have another go, but have to accept that I just don’t like it. (Rings too, really, tbh.) Rubicon 2, I also haven’t really found a use for, I think (conversely) because it’s just too clean. The VCOs I love are dirty or complex - Cs-L and Erica Fusion get constant use in my rack.

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Post by brandonlogic » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:32 am

Distings - all they did was make me want a dedicated module for whatever algorithms I was using most often. I’ve hade multiple ones and versions. Sold them a while ago. They where good early on when learning modular but now a prefer dedicated modules over the Swiss Army knife.

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Post by cinnatoastg » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:40 am

Maths/Function - Dead horse beating, but changing the envelope time when changing the curve imho is not a good design choice.

Loquelic Iteritas - It takes SO much work to get this thing to sound good. It’s palette is so wide that without a lot of attenuation it can sound samey (which is weird). When you’re able to get everything moving just enough within the right parameter values it’s great. But that’s avoiding the minefield of thin, brittle and not very useful tones in between. The only mode/settings I really enjoyed was the Summation Synthesis algo with the B oscillator tuned up very high with the mod high as well.

Ochd - having a bunch of unrelated triangle waves is pretty useless to me. I’m sure people are using it to great effect, but I can get unsynced modulation a bunch of places. Having the unsynced modulation locked into place is isn’t something I’d ever want, at least in a single module. Seems like a solution in search of a problem.
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Post by Kawouddd » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:47 am

brandonlogic wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:32 am
Distings - all they did was make me want a dedicated module for whatever algorithms I was using most often. I’ve hade multiple ones and versions. Sold them a while ago. They where good early on when learning modular but now a prefer dedicated modules over the Swiss Army knife.
Bought one from fst a good few months, and it remains the only module in my rack that I think I’ve never used 😂 I thought I’d have a use for it. But.

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Post by Hovercraft » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:53 am

2HP modules and the Pico 3HP modules. Like eurorack modules aren’t already too small for human hands. I see the appeal because I bought a bunch of them, but they were nothing but frustration.

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Post by lisa » Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:01 am

MI Stages. Not a fan of the patch programming approach in a module with many segment modes. I get how to make AD and D envelopes but most other functions I need the manual for and some of them I don't really get even after reading the manual (why does a red segment go there? :confused: etc.) I check my Stages manual way more often than my Disting manual even though both are used a lot. A screen will often provide a way better UI than just colour coding.
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Post by cinnatoastg » Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:12 am

lisa wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:01 am
A screen will often provide a way better UI than just colour coding.
Abso-freaking-lutely.

I was talking about this on reddit yesterday in regards to metropolix.

Screen ≠ Menu divey.

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Post by starthief » Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:15 am

Nonlocal wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:42 pm
intellijel rainmaker
Agreed, it's a module that feels like work rather than play. I think I'd really like a smaller module that just does what the right side does, but with maybe four parameters. Frequency, feedback, and a couple of "macro" controls that alter internal nerdy parameters for different textures.

The latest Why We Bleep interviewed Sean Costello of Valhalla DSP, and something he's big on is keeping controls few and simple. I thought of Rainmaker while listening to it.
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I don't like the menu diving and button combos on the mk3 IME modules one bit, which is a shame as they all sound great.
Yeah, it seemed like a huge shift in the wrong direction from mk2. I wonder what portion of people in modular wanted a preset manager, vs. what portion prefers knob per function?
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I've also come to dislike Make Noise panels, I always struggle with finding the clock in on them for instance, and their general usage of icons and what have you in their panels is confusing to me.
Mostly I am fine with them, but agree about the clock inputs/outputs on a lot of their gear. For some reason it never sinks in. 0-Ctrl is fine though. On others, a few red Bananuts help a lot.

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Post by listentoaheartbeat » Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:17 am

Most things Mutable, after trying out a few of them. The controls felt disconnected from the resulting changes in sound and structure, like Macro controls in more closed software instrument designs. Related to this, I thought they integrated to many functions, making the experience of patching them quite abstract.

I see them used a lot in patches with straight-forward signal paths and some modulation thrown at them, which I think might be related to my experience. As if they draw a lot of attention to the individual module rather than the the larger structure of a patch. I am missing the intricacies and oddities of working with more low-level building blocks.

That is not to say I don’t appreciate Mutable as a company. In fact, I have always found it extremely inspiring to see how Émilie Gillet navigates open source, and her posts about her process are illuminating. But personally, the shift Mutable has driven in Eurorack module design has significantly lowered my interest in the format.

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Post by brandonlogic » Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:11 am

nexgen23 wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:52 am
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starthief wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:13 pm
Nobody's going to convince me PNW can do what Teletype can.
If I was more code inclined I'd probably like Teletype (I've never messed with one so I cant say I dislike it either), I don't think PNW could replace it for someone who knows how to use Teletype, it appears to be very powerful.
I don’t think it’s one or the other.
I would probably use teletype for more creative and interesting purposes, and keep pams for what I use it for.. boring but incredibly important clock/sync functions.

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Post by damase » Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:20 am

im probably the only person ever who did not gel with the Batumi. i just felt other lfo modules could get me more personality and range. it didnt feel ergonomic or easy to play... and i cant remember exactly but something about how it sync’d and divided clocks was not how i wanted

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Post by klstay » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:00 am

nexgen23 wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:52 am
klstay wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:11 pm
3. Piston Honda - If not for the E370 I probably would be excited about it.
4. Klavis Twin Waves - Again, E370...
I keep talking myself out of an E370, its a super cool looking module, and I'll probably end up with one at some point, but for not Synthbox, Shapeshifter (it's wavetable-ish lol), Assimmil8or and Disting EX (wavetable algo) have been scratching the wavetable itch for me. The thing that made me back out this pas time was that on Synthbox I get four voices each based off of the two wavetables and conventional oscillator, whereas with the E370 four voices = one of the oscillators for each voice. I know there is the flexibility of doing clouds and all, but something made me tell myself "no what you have is good enough for now" :) it was a proud moment for me.
Synthbox (Bitbox 2) looks like a fabulous module for many things. For me there was/is a big difference between a well featured 4 voice polyphonic wavetable synth in a module and 4 cloud terrariums in a module. The cloud aspects of the architecture are not simply additive but multiplicative as regards the range of what can be done. Yeah, it is a fair bit of dosh, but if sound exploration is the goal it is Mariana Trench deep.

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Post by Peng33 » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:30 am

As I was getting into Eurorack about a year ago and just beginnng to learn modular basics in general, the hype was there for the Disting EX, which had just come out. I was fortunate enough to have procured one very soon after launch, and...I decided pretty immediately that menu-diving in Eurorack is not for me. Trying to figure out what I was doing with any given algorithm, which jacks did what, trying to figure out how to navigate through and change parameters with the knobs...yeah. Not for me at all. I cannot even fathom trying to use the mk4. First and so far only module I have sold.

I was hyped for Mob of Emus when it came out late last year, and as I did not have a digital oscillator in my rack and needed more quantizers, I figured this could kill two birds (emus?) with one stone. I AM using the digital waveforms as voices regularly (mostly as the voices from Arpitecht and the Triad expander) and have used it as a quantizer for the Turing Machine sent out to other oscillators, but have not touched the envelope/slope "presets" nor the rhythm patterns. But as straightforward as I found their Panharmonium, Mob of Emus is...esoteric, to say the least. Not enough to make it unusable for me, though. Between sessions, I keep thinking about selling it, but then I come back to it and realize how just having six related voices and/or six quantizers makes it worth it just for that, not even taking into account its other functions. Still need to download the new firmware to make the CV ins individual instead of global.

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Post by kingsmore » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:44 am

Havent seen or heard anybody mention other Qu-Bit stuff than the Nebulae.

But I have had Tone, Prism, Chord v2, Surface and Data Bender

I cant explain why these units are working for me...they almost feel like in the box plugins with a faceplate to me...and the ideas are good and the look is good and the function seems to be right...but 5 modules and nothing convincing me has put me off of QuBit

But thats personal preference and nothing to do with quality or excecution

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Post by Peng33 » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:50 am

Data Bender might be my first Qu-Bit module (stimulus monies cannot get here quickly enough), so hopefully YMMV. There are a few modules I feel I NEED more than Data Bender, but like a lot of people, I am probably gonna put off what I should do for what seems like fun (ie-procrastinate on what I have been needing to do with my modular setup from the beginning).
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Post by sir stony » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:56 am

I feel a topic like this is a bit unfair. To put together a modular system is (or will be beyond some point) a very individual affair, everyone has his or her own ideas and concepts of what to do with it and how to get there, and eurorack has evolved into a platform that offers nearly anything imaginable and more or less reasonable. And as different as these concepts may be, as different will be their target customers. Pointing a finger of blame at this or that module or manufacturer doesn't do any good to anyone, because you can bet there will be a whole lot of folks who have a different opinion.

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Post by lisa » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:59 am

I see no blame in this thread. Only people sharing their personal views on some of the most popular modules around. Nothing wrong with those modules, as clearly stated in the OP.
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Post by sir stony » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:02 am

As long as it stays :zen: instead of :sniper: yeah...

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Post by mdoudoroff » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:25 am

Despite the intellectual attraction—the possibilities—inherent in a Disting, I recognized right from the start that I would never buy a regular one because I knew I would never internalize the interface, and would not have the patience to consult documentation on-the-fly. In short, I loved the idea of the Disting, but knew I wouldn’t actually use one. When the Disting EX came out, I purchased one on principle, because I had been one of the people telling Os that I’d be much more interested in a larger model with a screen. Boy, did Os deliver, and with a host of jaw-dropping new capabilities, too.

Within a few weeks, I sold my Disting EX. Because I was wrong.

Figuring out the difference between an attractive idea—and its seductive possibilities—and the reality of who and where I am, has been a challenge for me, and this was only one (relatively recent) chapter in the saga.

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Post by Drmdmamd » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:34 am

Going to play Devils advocate for the IME mk3 modules.
They take some time to get used to and are not as complicated to work as they seem on paper.
I will say I don’t really understand the present manager, nor do I care enough to learn.

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Post by starthief » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:49 am

kingsmore wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:44 am
Havent seen or heard anybody mention other Qu-Bit stuff than the Nebulae.
I found Prism disappointing in some aspects for sure. As a stereo filter, it sounds good and is nicely priced! As a delay it can sound decent... but it's not modulation-friendly (it slews, won't modulate at audio rate, and changing the multiplier when clocked gives horrible doppler shift and glitchiness). Not having separate control over feedback and wet/dry mix on the delay was unforgiveable IMHO. And one knob to control both bitcrushing and sample rate reduction is also a disappointment; at least having bits CCW and rate CW would have been a better scheme.
sir stony wrote:
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everyone has his or her own ideas and concepts of what to do with it and how to get there
Thus why people disagree about modules, and why there's so much diversity in Eurorack.

People shouldn't be reading the thread and taking away the message that "Maths is bad" or thinking that Pam's isn't a supremely useful module for many people, for instance. There's a reason why these things are popular! But when researching modules it's always good to consider whether the direction of the design or details of usage go against the grain of your own preferences.

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Post by Raymond » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:54 am

Basically everything Instruo. I don't know I just really don't like the way they look, the way they sound and I can seem to understand anything about them. They are great modules for sure but just so not for me. I tried several of theirs in a shop and it never worked for me.
And I am going to say something controversial maybe : modules I don't find useful ? Complex oscillator. I prefer very much making my own even if it takes time, cables and several modules. At least I have something which sounds unique and that cannot be replicated in any way unless you have the exact same combination of modules.
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Post by luchog » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:18 pm

For me, it's pretty much any module involving menu-diving or software/firmware. They just do not interest me at all.

Maths, definitely Maths. To me, it's the least interesting of all the Serge DUSG variants, and the needlessly obscure and difficult Make Noise panel graphics certainly don't help.

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Post by Nonlocal » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:37 pm

nexgen23 wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:52 am
Nonlocal wrote:
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MI rings
I like to play with rings when I have ear fatigue and am want to hear something calming, I use it as a palette cleanser for my ears, lol
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Post by Estes » Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:06 pm

Kawouddd wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:20 am
Persistently disappointed by Harmonaig / Saïch if I’m honest. Keep on feeling that I should be able to get some really good value out of them, but bastard Harmonaig’s tuning and quantisation of incoming CV is just out enough to leave it making some really janky and jarring dissonances (the set up requires buffering incoming cv then attenuating it down, which is invariably a time consuming mess(, whilst Saïch is usually around the right place in terms of tuning, but can wobble, and can be really disappointing too.

It is a better fix for polyphony (or single polyphonic voices) than 4 discrete VCOs, but realistically the combination has left me thinking I should probably just stick to accepting eurorack as best with monophonic voices.

Edit: and plaits. I know thats a very generic response. I find it so worked through that I have no use for it. I keep on meaning to go back and have another go, but have to accept that I just don’t like it. (Rings too, really, tbh.) Rubicon 2, I also haven’t really found a use for, I think (conversely) because it’s just too clean. The VCOs I love are dirty or complex - Cs-L and Erica Fusion get constant use in my rack.
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