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Re: Buchla 200X serie 208X build thread

Post by boops » Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:11 am

Ive finished the card 3 V3 link above too

https://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/P ... a41ae128d7

For the resistance picking
Mouser
Koa brand 5%

Ex: 660-CF1/4CT52R104J is a 100k 104 -10 0000 ohms
For a 10k 660-CF1/4CT52R103j
For 1k 660-CF1/4CT52R102j
For 100R 660-CF1/4CT52R101j
For a 10R 660-CF1/4CT52R100j

Yageo brand cheaper

603-CFR-25JT-52-4K7

Mouser
Yageo 1%
603-MFR-25FBF52-28K7—28k7

TIPS
Use carbon 5% everywhere only
1% metal where it is needed

For the card 3,for the 13M
You can use in serie 12M+1M In the bom ,or 10M+3M available a tayda
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Re: Buchla 200X serie 208X build thread

Post by boops » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:34 am

fallout wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:51 am
What is everyone planning to use for the VTL5C3 Vactrols? I've read that the decay on Xvive versions are not very good.
It’s possible but
Who has written that?
Did he make serious measurement or it’s just a feeling?
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Re: Buchla 200X serie 208X build thread

Post by ikkini » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:43 am

Thanks !

And the link has been updated for Card 5, sorry ! ^^

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Re: Buchla 200X serie 208X build thread

Post by fallout » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:03 am

boops wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:34 am
fallout wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:51 am
What is everyone planning to use for the VTL5C3 Vactrols? I've read that the decay on Xvive versions are not very good.
It’s possible but
Who has written that?
Did make serious measurement or just it’s just a feeling?
It seems that the decay might be too quick when using the Xvives, at least for the LPGs. Here's on video that I came across but it has been mentioned quite a bit:

viewtopic.php?p=3131563#p3131563

I also had some very nice email correspondence with Dave Brown about vactrols in general and in the 208 and he seems to feel that in cards 10 and 11, along with matching the vactrols the decay time is important in the LPGs for 'the classic LPG sound'. That's not to say they won't work but something that builders should be aware of. It doesnt seem like the decay/turn off time is as critical in other parts of the circuit but matching and selecting is.

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Re: Buchla 200X serie 208X build thread

Post by ikkini » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:22 pm

Ok, here are Mouser baskets for Cards 7 to 12, as for the Cards 4, 5 and 6 I did before, I didn't include resistors :

Card 7

Card 8

Card 9

Card 10

Card 11

Card 12

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Re: Buchla 200X serie 208X build thread

Post by ikkini » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:57 pm

Without resistors and switches :

Motherboard

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Re: Buchla 200X serie 208X build thread

Post by fallout » Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:35 pm

Thanks for putting the Mouser carts together ikkini. It looks like for each card/motherboard, you're following the standard 208 BOM and not the 208x?

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Re: Buchla 200X serie 208X build thread

Post by ikkini » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:00 pm

fallout wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:35 pm
Thanks for putting the Mouser carts together ikkini. It looks like for each card/motherboard, you're following the standard 208 BOM and not the 208x?
I'm following the BOM from the link by Boops, am I doing something wrong ?

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Re: Buchla 200X serie 208X build thread

Post by boops » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:09 pm

fallout wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:35 pm
Thanks for putting the Mouser carts together ikkini. It looks like for each card/motherboard, you're following the standard 208 BOM and not the 208x?
Yes there are the boms for an original 208,with minor upgrades,like the zener diodes in the card cause, it’s possible with the 208X pcb to build an original one,without the crappy card 12,(this original card 12 is available,but I’ve didn’t ordered it)
There a separate bom for the X parts .,in the zip file above.
For the vactrols ,we have planed to measure a max of vactec vactrols ,in static and dynamic situation,we will try to recreate the 0ld ones.as always ,we run after the time ;)

Many thanks Ikkini :yay:
I will add the resistors the next days ,at the end ,when we will add each basket ,we will have the final basket right.
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Re: Buchla 200X serie 208X build thread

Post by ikkini » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:17 pm

Great !

Just to be sure I understand well, I have to add the components from the "X PARTS ONLY BOM REV1" file to my basket ?
They are not included in the other BOMs ?

Concerning the resistors, I've managed to group the one for the 12 cards and the motherboard in one file :
208X - resistors.pdf
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Re: Buchla 200X serie 208X build thread

Post by boops » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:24 pm

Exactly,these are the X parts needed for each new functions ,mods.You have to add them,I will create the direct mouser basket asap.

Great work about the resistors,to order at tayda ,I prefer to have a bom for each card,following the revision of the card example,card3 V3 bom.
ikkini wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:17 pm
Great !

Just to be sure I understand well, I have to add the components from the "X PARTS ONLY BOM REV1" file to my basket ?
They are not included in the other BOMs ?

Concerning the resistors, I've managed to group the one for the 12 cards and the motherboard in one file :
208X - resistors.pdf
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Re: Buchla 200X serie 208X build thread

Post by fallout » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:41 pm

These might also be good for the non-critical positions. They're 1/2 the price of the XVive's and might save builders some cash if you plan on buying extra's to match/select for various parts of the circuit. I plan on grabbing a bunch to test.

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/det ... AlNIC6AvkA

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Re: Buchla 200X serie 208X build thread

Post by ikkini » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:46 pm

boops wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:24 pm
I prefer to have a bom for each card,following the revision of the card example,card3 V3 bom.
Yes, but the link you provided still refers to the resistors that must be bought in multiple of 200. That's why I did this document.

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Re: Buchla 200X serie 208X build thread

Post by boops » Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:01 pm

ikkini wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:46 pm
boops wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:24 pm
I prefer to have a bom for each card,following the revision of the card example,card3 V3 bom.
Yes, but the link you provided still refers to the resistors that must be bought in multiple of 200. That's why I did this document.
Check the resistors on first baskets card 1/2/3 I ve done.
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Re: Buchla 200X serie 208X build thread

Post by ikkini » Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:07 pm

Card 1 and 2 are ok, but Card 3 is still with the wrong resistors when I click on your link.

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Re: Buchla 200X serie 208X build thread

Post by DanaFo » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:14 pm

fallout wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:41 pm
These might also be good for the non-critical positions. They're 1/2 the price of the XVive's and might save builders some cash if you plan on buying extra's to match/select for various parts of the circuit. I plan on grabbing a bunch to test.

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/det ... AlNIC6AvkA
https://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sh ... SR3_DS.pdf

that's the datasheet, my googling revealed that apparently they're much faster to turn on than the VTL5C3
there's a thread on muff started by Danjel/intellijel about finding vactrols and I believe they opted for nsl's as well.

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Re: Buchla 200X serie 208X build thread

Post by boops » Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:20 am

ikkini wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:07 pm
Card 1 and 2 are ok, but Card 3 is still with the wrong resistors when I click on your link.
Corrected a bad link,sorry.
Unfortunately,I can not edit the first post,not HANDY

important build links

https://www.modularsynthesis.com/roman/ ... card12.htm

https://www.modularsynthesis.com/roman/ ... 08spss.htm

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=211862

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=127084


basket link Resume the 23 02 21

Only X parts upgrades ,mods mouser basket ic socket +note

https://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/P ... 73ba20dc43
208X parts note(1).pdf
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Power Supply Unit micro pcb +parts for the 4UX boat basket link
https://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/P ... 98307abf80

208X Card 1 basket link
https://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/P ... 757d40077f

208X card1 only X parts with 2N3904/2N3906 transistors turn them at 180 degrees on the pcb card1 V4 or use BC 550/BC 560
Use it if you mod only your 208 card1 with our reset seq pcb
https://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/P ... a3a0eea432
208X Seq reset infos
RESET Sequencer step one Card N 1 BUCHLA 208.pdf
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208X card 2 basket link
https://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/P ... 97297e4102

208X card 3 V3 basket link
https://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/P ... a41ae128d7

208X Card 4 V2 mouser basket added below with ic socket ( HQ reference ) updated the 27 02 21

https://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/P ... 9d30a1480e

208X card 5 V2 mouser basket +ic socket
https://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/P ... dbb38f5378

208X card 6 V2 the LM301 in the bom is Not available ,cancel it source it at Ebay by example.
https://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/P ... 6bd99ad829

208X card 7 V3
https://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/P ... e5d49c5d26

A note about resistors sourcing at mouser,the day of your order .
If ref 603-CFR-25JR-52-xx 25JB
is not available you can swap with
603-CFR-25JB-52-xx 25JR
The goal here is to have more than 10 resistors of the same ref to have the quantity discount.0,085 to 0,042 ;)
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Re: Buchla 200X serie 208X build thread

Post by Radiance2021 » Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:36 am

Thanks! I'll look into this once I've received the goodies. Hope I can use some of my leftover parts from previous projects...for example, I've some 4000 series chips I bought when restoring my Prophet 5...4016 and such..

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Post by ikkini » Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:07 am

Thanks for the links !

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Re: Buchla 200X serie 208X build thread

Post by boops » Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:20 am

SOME MORE TIPS

About vactrol and matching
Use a VTL5C3/2 (x2) for the card 10 and 11,it’s a matched double VTL5C3 vactrol
Here how to wire them
EFCAB2C0-B299-4DCD-A92D-B4C379FAEB0D.jpeg
Some links for a low intensity ,low light led (should be changed in the MB basket Ikkini ;) )

https://www.mouser.fr/ProductDetail/Lit ... gTAY6Xo%3D

Or

https://www.mouser.fr/ProductDetail/Lit ... gTAY6Xo%3D


For the tantalum,try to find some CTS brand NOS in your local store,at least for the C4 in card 11 ,a 47uF ,6,3V is fine (coupling inter stage capacitor,the audio signal pass thru),look like the silver ones.
2201DCFF-AB24-44AD-95F4-76A1A00D2939.jpeg
I prefer NOS ,axial film and ceramic caps ,too

Fyi,the sliders batch ,the new MB ,and new panel are on the way,shipping soon
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Re: Buchla 200X serie 208X build thread

Post by ikkini » Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:28 am

I changed the LEDs in the basket to the low light ones ! Thanks for my eyes ! ;)

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Re: Buchla 200X serie 208X build thread

Post by DanaFo » Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:27 pm

boops wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:20 am
S
For the tantalum,try to find some CTS brand NOS in your local store,at least for the C4 in card 11 ,a 47uF ,6,3V is fine (coupling inter stage capacitor,the audio signal pass thru),look like the silver ones.
2201DCFF-AB24-44AD-95F4-76A1A00D2939.jpeg
I prefer NOS ,axial film and ceramic caps ,too

Fyi,the sliders batch ,the new MB ,and new panel are on the way,shipping soon
This is all I could find that is reasonable for axial caps in that spec, how many does the full build require?
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/QTY-20-47uf-6-3 ... Sw~OdVaI68

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Capacitor-tanta ... xyepRRvPzs

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Post by boops » Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:22 pm

2 x 47uF tantalum 6,3 v polarised part
Be careful with the size ,old capacitor are bigger than modern.
The Vishay on the bom are fine ,too.
On the card 11 /208X the layout is 10mm space ,you can install it on the other side,(below) ,if needed.
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Post by boops » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:03 am

208X parts only mouser basket +icSocket +note added in the resume post above

Here the note here ,feel free to ask questions

https://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/P ... 73ba20dc43

208X parts note
Molex 2,54 mm
Molex 2 pins for the reverb x2
Molex 4 pins for the aux/noise Card x2
Molex 3 pins for the noise /switch ore post x3
Male and female needed.

Tayda stocks the molex 2 ,3 and 4 pin ,male /female

Molex 08-50-0113 (Cut Strip) needed for the connectors above
By 100 in the mouser bom ,cheaper.

Banzai stocks some already crimped molex
https://www.banzaimusic.com/PCB-Connectors/

Noise 2 ic x1
https://electricdruid.net/product/noise ... generator/

TL074 X1 quad AOP
A better ic can be used like in the new card 12 (card 12X)

IC socket 2X7 X1
IC socket 2x4 X3

BLACK ROGAN small no skirted thonk UK black,white,blue ,red x2

Black banana x2. Sq rest cv,reverb cv,,then only 3 violet bananas in the MB bom(corrected)
https://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/P ... 3BA7FCBA76

MB BOM corrected the 23 02 without switch/resistors
vactrol dip xvive vtl53 X1

1 x 3 mm red led ,added in the mouser bom ,then =10 a better price corrected in the MB bom 23 02 21

2n3904/2n3906 x1 in the mouser bom or tayda

The E-Switch 200MSP1T1B1M1QEH. Switches x3
Are smaller than standard ones.
Pre/post main volume (big rogan)
wfX
Step 2 seq.
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Re: Buchla 200X serie 208X build thread

Post by fallout » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:27 am

This thread is getting confusing quickly. Can we condense all of the BOMs / Carts into 1 post for clarity?

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