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Re: electronotes/musical engineer's handbook/pcc pdfs

Post by galanter2 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:32 pm

I don't see how this is relevant. It's Bernie's copyright. He is free to do with it what he wants. The market value of Electronotes has nothing to do with it unless there is a suit and a violation goes to court.

If he wanted a library to take it on as a collection he could donate it plus $5000 to pay for grad student time to digitize it. Then online it goes. A physical archive might not be required at all.

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Re: electronotes/musical engineer's handbook/pcc pdfs

Post by nimaid » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:49 pm

Hey all, I just got my copies of MEH, BG-PCC, and a lot of other electronotes. Since my last post, I've learned a lot about preserving paper document stacks. Encapsulating each page in MEH/BG-PCC is not only impractical in terms of thickness, but it could also increase the risk of mold. Plus, any dirt that gets trapped in there will abrade the document over time. With preserving items for a long-term collection, sometimes doing nothing is better than doing something that may cause problems down the line. ("First, do no harm" seems to be the mentality.) The best way I've determined for this to be preserved (and what I've done) is as follows:

I unbound them and split them into archival-quality (acid and lignin-free + alkaline buffered) folders labeled in pencil. These are stored in an archival upright storage box, and this has an archival-quality cardboard spacer. There is no tape, adhesives, pen/marker ink, staples, fasteners, or plastic separators present anywhere. Based on a very small dot I made with a pH testing marker (back of the front cover, bottom corner, hard to notice), the paper for MEH and BG-PCC seems to be acid-free. With this setup and good environmental control, I expect these papers to be well preserved for at least the next 100 years or so.

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I've talked with my print shop, and due to the risk of the holes (from the old binding) causing a jam in the machine and damaging the documents, they are scanning them 1 at a time on a flatbed, by hand. I went through all the special instructions (limit oil transfer from hands, turn off automatic image adjustment, etc.), and they're okay with it. It will be $0.40 a page, so the whole scanning job (~620 pages) will be somewhere in the ballpark of $250 or less.

I'll be doing a part-automatic part-manual adjustment process on the images, and will be archiving both a ZIP with the original HD JEPGs (TIFF was impractical for 620 pages), plus the adjusted PDF. I'll be adding a table of contents to the PDF, so I can navigate using the PDF reader easier. I'll also be running a quick automatic OCR on the PDF, but I will not be replacing the original scan image. The OCR text will just be an invisible layer over the image so that I can search for words and copy-paste. OCR accuracy isn't too important here, because it's mainly just for searching keywords and does not impact the appearance of the page at all.

As stated previously, this PDF is just for myself as a "working copy" so that the original can be safely archived. I can not and will not share it. However, I do plan on keeping it safe in my private cloud drive and backed up on an SD card in the archival box with the papers.

The reason I'm going to this trouble is that I see the cultural value in this work, and I want to make sure it sticks around as an accessible piece of electronics history. I'm very hopeful Bernie has plans to preserve his work in some way, but if the worst should happen and he does not make such arrangements before he dies (whenever that may be, hopefully not for a good while), then there is a risk of this being, essentially, "lost media". I truly hope that situation never happens, but if it does, I would like to be able to have a good digital copy and a well-preserved original. I would contact the new copyright holder (if any) and see what they were comfortable with in terms of preservation. Very worst case, nobody gets the copyright, and its 70 years (maybe more) until it's public domain. Honestly, I really hope the copyright holder starts selling them again, but given the low demand, I won't be holding my breath.

As for the physical archive, I plan on someday giving it to an organization that will actually care about classic synth electronics, like a synth museum or electronics history museum, or perhaps some sort of technology-centric library. I don't expect anyone to be desperate to get this in their collection or anything, but still, it's likely some nerdy organization will see the historic and cultural value and take ownership. This would be whenever I am "done" with the materials, as I legally would have to delete/destroy all backups. Even if literally nobody ever cares about these papers, I have been wanting to learn more about the techniques of conservators, and the materials were cheap, so I had fun. :P

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Re: electronotes/musical engineer's handbook/pcc pdfs

Post by loki » Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:31 pm

nimaid wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:49 pm
Hey all, I just got my copies of MEH, BG-PCC, and a lot of other electronotes.
I'm glad you've found a solution for your own needs. I pulled my boxed issues of Electronotes off the shelf. The early issues were typed single spaced and then mimeographed. I hate to think about reading a PDF of scans.

You are young and enthusiastic. I would like to suggest that you take leadership and set up a Synthesizer Wiki to create an online replacement for the MEH and PCC. I would be glad to write on various topics for such a Wiki. My synthesizer experience goes back to 1969. In those days I spent many hours in the tech library and I could provide bibliographic references for many common synthesizer topics. Like Bernie I don't see why people haven't found a better substitute for Electronotes. A great deal of material that was published is a rehash of standard EE knowledge. Are you interested creating a Wiki?

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Re: electronotes/musical engineer's handbook/pcc pdfs

Post by nimaid » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:32 pm

loki wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:31 pm
nimaid wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:49 pm
Hey all, I just got my copies of MEH, BG-PCC, and a lot of other electronotes.
I'm glad you've found a solution for your own needs. I pulled my boxed issues of Electronotes off the shelf. The early issues were typed single spaced and then mimeographed. I hate to think about reading a PDF of scans.

You are young and enthusiastic. I would like to suggest that you take leadership and set up a Synthesizer Wiki to create an online replacement for the MEH and PCC. I would be glad to write on various topics for such a Wiki. My synthesizer experience goes back to 1969. In those days I spent many hours in the tech library and I could provide bibliographic references for many common synthesizer topics. Like Bernie I don't see why people haven't found a better substitute for Electronotes. A great deal of material that was published is a rehash of standard EE knowledge. Are you interested creating a Wiki?
Oh goodness, the PDF scans aren't for reading! That would suck, even on a Kindle! They are so I can CTRL-F, and then print off a specific page or reference a specific figure without having to pull out my huge paper copy. I like to mark up technical stuff like this with notes, and seeing as I don't want to mark the original, a PDF is WAY easier than photocopying. I have 1 flash drive, and it has all 620 pages in it to bring to the printers. That's easier than fiddling with hundreds of pages of pressed wood pulp and scanning the pages by hand each time. (At least, it is for me, but I'm only in my mid 20's so I grew up with digital files instead of physical. I can't tell you how much I hate sifting through pages for the right one, I guess I've been spoiled by CTRL-F and "Goto Page".) PDFs also don't get wet/torn/burned/worn. Finally, if I need to, I CAN whip out my phone anywhere and reference something real quick, even if I don't carry the 310 sheets of paper around with me.

A DIY Synth Wiki isn't a bad idea! However, I have to say I don't have a huge excess of time. I would happily write up various topics as I go through my synth journey, sort of like really well kept notes in a Wiki format, and would love to write up some tutorial-style articles. I'd also be happy to create the wiki on a free hosting site, but there would need to be moderators who would be willing to step up to the plate, because I won't have much time for that. I wouldn't be able to put more than a couple hours a week into writing up pages. What sort of stuff do you have in mind when you say "take leadership"?

For me, the real appeal of The Musical Engineer's Handbook and BG-PCC is that it is a somewhat guided experience. Like, they are in an order such that the concepts build on each other, sort of like a textbook or how-to book would. There's an endless wealth of info on the internet... but only if you already know what to look for. Making a "Beginner's Guide" page on a Wiki with links to other articles and external resources in a curated order is what I would be really excited to help with. It could be inspired by the structure of MEH and BG-PCC, but modernized and with more recent info/designs/parts/practices/etc. And because it's a Wiki, it can constantly evolve with the community (if people keep making new contributions and updating pages).

I dunno, do you think there are enough DIY synth enthusiasts in 2020 who are willing to maintain and contribute to a Wiki?

Let me know what you think.

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Re: electronotes/musical engineer's handbook/pcc pdfs

Post by mskala » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:57 pm

If wikis are your thing, you might do better to contribute to https://sdiy.info/ than to create another one.

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Re: electronotes/musical engineer's handbook/pcc pdfs

Post by Bernie Hutchins » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:31 pm

Until very recently I knew almost nothing about this Muff Wiggler site – I only have had a few comments forwarded to me, never had seen a full thread, and certainly never posted to it. It is probably bad-form to include a complaint in a first post – unless, we may suppose, it is in response to the bad-form of others already here! So here goes!

I am 75 and thus of the “Boomer” generation: a generation of now proven general accomplishment, wide perspective, self-reliance, unassuming disposition, and hard work. Age and circumstances of resources may well limit our efforts at assigning our resources to the benefit of younger generations such as (particularly) the “Entitled Generation” (be there formally such a group?) – some of whom have apparently posted here, to whom this complaint is specifically directed.

With regard to Electronotes, I have done my share (50 years, 9000 pages – 3000 free online). That some self-important youngster would PREFER all-free, all digitized and redrawn, fully indexed, one-click access; (all characterized as being trivially achievable) displays ignorance of circumstance, lack of thinking, and likely a degree of disrespect.

BTW - I still retain substantial financial interest in EN, not limited to paper inventory; but also such matters as copyright and "blue sky" notions such as trademark (brand-name) and a web presence.

Please do READ what is ALREADY WRITTEN:
http://electronotes.netfirms.com/ENWN57.pdf
along with links therein (including SDIY, June/July 2017), THINK, and then comment. Virtually everything has been addressed.


My sincere thanks to those who have expressed thoughtful kind remarks here.

-Bernie Hutchins

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Post by galanter2 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:20 pm

Not sure if you will be checking back here but I'd like to say just one thing and then follow with a bit of context:

Thank you!

At some point in the early 70's I ordered my first Electronotes publications, and at the same time I was learning synthesis at my university on an ARP 2600. Since then I've done a bit of DIY, but more than that it was that early exposure to technical theory that really informed my electronic music composition and production. I found Electronotes fascinating and inspiring, and it literally changed my life. So again…thank you!

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Post by Repeater » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:05 pm

Bernie - I received my flat rate box full of EN from you about 5 years ago and it changed my life too. I have found it to be an incredible living document of the way that electronic music and DIY have evolved over the years, exemplifying both rigorous technical analysis and homespun ingenuity. It was particularly interesting to see the feedback between engineers, musicians and tinkerers engaging with each other's ideas over the years. The variety of perspectives from yourself and all the contributors over the years is just unparalleled in any field that is inherently technical and artistic.

I lost a lot of books when my home flooded last year, but the worst of all was the gut punch I felt reading your work for the last time before I had to throw the majority of it away. I truly hope you find a way to preserve EN for the future in a way that works for you so that others can have a chance to get inspired by your work and I can one day replace what I lost.

If that just isn't possible, you don't have to explain yourself. The lifetime of work you put into EN speaks for itself. I hope you enjoy your retirement.

THANK YOU

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Post by KSS » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:31 pm

Bernie Hutchins wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:31 pm
My sincere thanks to those who have expressed thoughtful kind remarks here.
-Bernie Hutchins
And please accept our sincere thanks for all you given the Synth community and all the end-result music world-wide which never would have happened the same way without YOU. THANK YOU. There's probably not a day that goes by in any of our lives without hearing something that was in some way affected by your life's work. Across decades and genres, Electronotes has had an incredible reach. Going so much farther than any notion of SDIY alone.
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On the other topic, MuZines seems to be doing good work, and will have at least some real-world understanding of the issues and realities involved. I know nothing of them except as a user of the resources they've made available online.
http://www.muzines.co.uk/

World radio history is another site which has clear experience and capacity in the field of discussion. Again I have no inside knowledge or connection except as a thankful and satisfied user of the services provided.
https://worldradiohistory.com/

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Post by Dr. Sketch-n-Etch » Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:22 am

Hi Bernie. I was the guy in BC that volunteered to stand in front of the copy machine and scan the pages. As it happens, I never did make any scans. I simply took chunks of Electronotes with me on my various travels and read them on planes, in hotel rooms, etc. What I did do was to take some of the more useful (to me) chunks, punch them with a three-hole punch, and organize them into binders. That made handling them a lot more convenient.

In fact, I didn't buy the Electronotes package personally. The guy for whom I was doing analog design bought it and loaned it to me (with the injunction to "go through this and see if there is anything useful in there that we can use," which I did, and there was). It took me more than a year to finally work up the enthusiasm to break into the Priority Mail boxes that I was storing in my garage and actually look at the stuff (the thought of poring through 1000s of pages was quite daunting to me), but once I got into it, I was able to isolate the parts of it that I was interested in (the analog stuff) and to ignore the stuff I wasn't interested in (the digital stuff). After about three years, I gave it all back to its owner. No, I didn't copy anything for myself -- I know where it is if I ever want to look at it again.
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Post by Bernie Hutchins » Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:55 pm

A few more comments:
M: = this Muff Wiggler thread; B: = Bernie

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THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM
B: One might suppose that the “elephant in the room” here is a huge stack of paper. But the real elephant is the unread and unstudied “COLLECTION” that too many people feel a compulsion to OBTAIN, knowing full-well that objectively speaking it is unlikely it will be used much, or even at all. They just prefer to have it to hand (with an assumed ability to somehow absorb it) with the supposed ability to put it to use. They just WANT the entire collection! Object lesson: 1/3 of EN (3000 pages) is free online – yet there are very few who read ANY of it. Very flattering? So the real elephant is the lack of a real elephant.

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COPYRIGHT
M: The claim by Bernie Hutchins that scanning Electronotes would cause the owner of the scanner to own the copyright is also not how copyright works; copyright comes from creation, not format conversion.
B: How silly! Well, where (exactly) did I say that? I didn’t – someone SAID I said it and the misquote was carelessly perpetuated. I said that scanning created (potentially) a new and ILLEGAL “instance” of “ownership” (either sold or given away) of a paper or a digital copy. Theft.
B: As for actual copyright, I remind those here that copyright law has evolved over the 50 years of Electronotes (“first publisher” vs. creator) and my newsletter’s evolution from multiple-authors to single-author (me). Complicated, but unless you are one of my (well-defended) early authors it is, at least, not YOUR copyright.


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OFFERS TO TAKE OVER BUSINESS
M: I don't want to sound insensitive in matters of life and death, but someone should buy his stock and buy a license to distribute all forms of media
B: Someone you say! Not everyone (i.e., no one?) is anxious to take over a business with barely break-even potential. Few folks even have the knowledge and/or resources to actually considered it. Despite 20 years (open-ended) of my asking for proposals, no one has made ANY offer at all.
B: Yes, we have had many comments/suggestions including ill-considered request to OCR scan and redraw! My money, my time. Silly assumptions. Assurances about how trivial procedures are! (See SDIY)

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OFFERS OF HELP
B: It often sounds best when suggesting the desirability of some project to also suggest a GROUP EFFORT. Everyone just does a few pages of proofing scans. Warm and fuzzy sounding - Kumbaya. In reality, in a test, no one would even proofread 2 pages (details on SDIY).
B: And this rather bizarre comment:
M: I offered to help with some of this stuff a while back and he responded by personally insulting me. I won't make that mistake again.
B: I don’t recall ever crossing paths – let alone crossing swords - with this individual.

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FINANCIAL
M: electronotes lasted this long because of the financial reward anything else is bullshit. how many tons of free paper did you give away? how much did bernie give away?
M: When I tried to get a couple of bits from Bernie (think the bits you're after) it turned out that postage for those two would be the same as if he sent a load extra - so he chucked in (for free – though postage costs were quite high to begin) several thick bunches of core electronotes.
B: We were in the habit of stuffing under-filled boxes. Not to mention the 3000 free online pages. You’re welcome.

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Post by sneak-thief » Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:23 pm

Dear Bernie - we are all standing on the shoulders of giants like you. Thank you for your lifetime of contributions and ingenuity.

Cheers,

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