the RE 303 project ...not a clone but a TB 303 replica..

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Post by gasboss775 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:01 am

To take the silly argument about clones and replicas a step further. A perfect replica would need to be made from all the original parts; same component manufacturers, same PCB, same case, knobs, connectors, etc. That of course is insane IMO! But in the world of refurbishment, old TVs radios, etc, precise originals are a must, including inferior component choices such as carbon composition resistors, that can often change hands at silly prices.

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Post by phono1337 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:08 am

Troubleshooter wrote:So I understand you got the exact same PCB layout as the original only on the analog part?
no the entire pcb is a reverse engineered remake of the original, using a real tb303 as reference and not the service note schematics

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Post by nologin » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:49 am

This is the 2016 TB303 by dinsync. The second millennium acid.

Mine will be completely identical to the original, i'll put in the Roland BA662 and original Roland microcontroller. I'm a little fetishistic economical.

By cons i'll put her green leds to make it a little different from my TB303.
A friend gave me the green LEDs, that's good.

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Post by synthdude » Mon Mar 21, 2016 10:24 am

phono1337 wrote:
Troubleshooter wrote:So I understand you got the exact same PCB layout as the original only on the analog part?
no the entire pcb is a reverse engineered remake of the original, using a real tb303 as reference and not the service note schematics
How did you manage to get everything matched up to the original on the pcb? Did you just eye ball it or is there some software that can do that?

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Post by mskala » Mon Mar 21, 2016 11:23 am

The only reason I read this thread was to figure out what the difference between a "clone" and a "replica" was supposed to be, and as far as I can tell, it's that a "replica" is supposed to be "exact."

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Post by phono1337 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:51 pm

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Troubleshooter wrote:So I understand you got the exact same PCB layout as the original only on the analog part?
no the entire pcb is a reverse engineered remake of the original, using a real tb303 as reference and not the service note schematics
How did you manage to get everything matched up to the original on the pcb? Did you just eye ball it or is there some software that can do that?
unfortunately there is no magic wand, i did it all by hand, its literally hours of work

theres a a bunch of pics here http://re-303.forumatic.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13

theres also a faq and a bunch of other info there :tu:

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Post by phono1337 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:02 pm

oh and we'll have one with us at superbooth16 if you want to check it out :omg:

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Post by nologin » Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:57 pm

mskala wrote:The only reason I read this thread was to figure out what the difference between a "clone" and a "replica" was supposed to be, and as far as I can tell, it's that a "replica" is supposed to be "exact."
Already it depends on what clone speaking, there are many clones of 303 but really deserve all to be named like that. I think in some racks, named clone 303, it's just the business strategy from the manufacturers! :cry:
This is an absurd nonsense a clone of 303 without sequencer...
It is in the spirit of the 303 to have a 16 step sequencer.
Just an exemple. :doh:
I think the replica is the most authentic clone. :hihi: No need to play with words, let's talk about 303.
I would have liked to hear RE-303 with low key octave and big slide. And a bit overdrive. With not other FX.

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Post by mOBiTh » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:48 pm

what's the plan case-wise for this thing?

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Post by nologin » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:17 am

I think it's not a thing, it's a bassline synthesizer...

For the case immediately, a used case. Later a guy will manufacture new case, knob and buttons. :love:
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Post by Monobass » Tue Mar 22, 2016 12:11 pm

phono1337 wrote:nice work boops!

for those arguing on semantics, yes you are right, theres no difference in the word meanings. Its just marketing and the single line sums up that its a close clone rather than a x0xb0x or tt303.
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Post by wavecircle » Tue Mar 22, 2016 12:33 pm

Man, I would love to get me one of these. What is the waiting list like?
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Post by Reality Checkpoint » Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:20 pm

wavecircle wrote:Man, I would love to get me one of these. What is the waiting list like?
I ordered a pcb set and coil yesterday. Got an email today to say that I have one reserved, but they are very busy with the run up to Superbooth 16, and therefore there may be a delay in getting it sent out. I don't get the feeling that they are running low on stock but email Paul at info@dinsync.info for a quote.

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Post by phono1337 » Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:09 am

wavecircle wrote:Man, I would love to get me one of these. What is the waiting list like?
i think we just ran out :waah:

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Post by teebeehex » Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:48 am

phono1337 wrote:
wavecircle wrote:Man, I would love to get me one of these. What is the waiting list like?
i think we just ran out :waah:
Does that mean I can cancel my excitement for this project or are you referring to the alpha kits? :sadbanana:

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Post by momo » Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:34 am

On the forum there is a thread for posting any errors for correcting the next run so I think you're good.

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Post by boops » Sat Apr 16, 2016 11:20 am

teebeehex wrote:
phono1337 wrote:
wavecircle wrote:Man, I would love to get me one of these. What is the waiting list like?
i think we just ran out :waah:
Does that mean I can cancel my excitement for this project or are you referring to the alpha kits? :sadbanana:
Put your name on the waiting list post, of re303 forum (In general)
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Post by puzo » Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:09 am

This project is ace, if it had come out 5 years ago the community would have gone bonkers for it, mad bananas, we are definitely spoil for choice in this golden age of analog and the rise of the modular synth. Its a great project for those who wish to build one.

That aside, its quite an interesting debate on clone, replica, restore, rebuild. For me you could see this as a reproduction

Definitions matter for some people, really matter. You could take English Heritage or planning, are you restoring or rebuilding, Tudor buildings would use new to repair and not seek original reclaimed 17c, but using exact materials and practices that would have been used at the time, even down to sourcing french oak. But some builds would need original reclaimed materials, others new bricks but made with clay from the same location, even going as far as using the same techniques. With regards to re-303 its important to use original components. These arguments and definitions are everywhere, military goods, reenactments, medals, coins, building,

Its a fascinating discussion. But what is true is a replica only needs to look and in this case sound like the original A replica doesnt have to have any original components at all in any way. Think of a replica saxon sword for reenactments or a sherman tank. You could say the xoxbox isnt a replica as it doesnt look like the original, but you have replicated the sound.

This is a fascinating story and be interesting to see how its rebuild
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Post by Risc_Terilia » Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:00 am

Can't wait to hear one in a shootout

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Post by momo » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:32 pm

I think I have too many other projects so might let me alpha RE-303 PCB and Sumida coil go if anyone is interested? Fresh and still in the box! Pm me if interested. Thanks.

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Post by nologin » Sat Aug 06, 2016 6:28 am

My RE works well with original roland controller:

[video][/video]

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Post by phono1337 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:02 am

nologin wrote:My RE works well with original roland controller:

[video][/video]
fixed your link ;)

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Post by Arnoid » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:08 am

[video][/video]

First demo from my RE-303..
I only builded the analog voice and drive it with cv/gate from my real 303.

Sounds delicious :)

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Post by rhythmdial » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:40 am

Arnoid wrote:[video][/video]

First demo from my RE-303..
I only builded the analog voice and drive it with cv/gate from my real 303.

Sounds delicious :)
hot damn that sounds so good

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Post by Picard » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:49 am

Try this: The accurate meaning of "original" is that there is always a one and only original.
So the "original TB-303" is the prototype at KORG headquarters. Every piece of the mass production is a replica of this. :razz:
Edit: Ooops, meanwhile the proto was given back to ROLAND... (thanks GGW)
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