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Re: Ryk M185 Sequencer - per step repeat and gate mode

Post by ryk » Tue May 12, 2020 10:08 am

odmundeetgen wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 9:28 am
ryk wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 2:17 pm
odmundeetgen wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 5:57 am
Was super excited when the postman dropped of my kit this morning, only to find one of the PCBs was missing! Oh well, have emailed and hopefully will be able to get one sent soon. In the mean time I'll just be eying the components and build guide forlornly – the panel is beautiful!
Hello

Very sorry about that.
A few packages seem to have gone out without the smaller PCB.

The packaging dept [me] has been repremanded ! :doh:
Already got the replacement, cheers for that!

I've got everything built and it (i thought) calibrated correctly – however I've got an issue where if I have the Gate Mode set to Off on voice 5 the sequence stops, the LED turns green and stays stuck on step one. I feel like this is probably caused by a short somewhere but after scouring all morning I can't see any dodgy soldering. I don't suppose you'd have a suggestion on where to look? From what i can tell the switch itself is soldered well and no jumps

thanks for such an awesome module!

Hello

When it locks up with green LED at stage 1, can you move the LED with the NEXT and PREV buttons ?

If so, it sounds like there might be a short between SW-B3 [ Gate mode for stage 5 ] and the Split_Mode select switch line [ highlighted ]. This would cause the Seq to jump into SPLIT programming mode [ ### ].
Please check carefully around the area circled in the picture. [ Which is the underside of board, bottom row of 8way switches, 5th in from RHS when viewd underneath ]

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Re: Ryk M185 Sequencer - per step repeat and gate mode

Post by djthopa » Tue May 12, 2020 8:15 pm

Hi Ryk,
Im building a couple of these tomorrow.
Just to be clear r15 left leg goes into d1 right leg right?
Bom and pcb build have same text but different drawings.
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Re: Ryk M185 Sequencer - per step repeat and gate mode

Post by ryk » Wed May 13, 2020 12:55 am

djthopa wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 8:15 pm
Hi Ryk,
Im building a couple of these tomorrow.
Just to be clear r15 left leg goes into d1 right leg right?
Bom and pcb build have same text but different drawings.
Cheers
Hello

Yes R15 left leg goes into D1 right leg
Thanks for pointing that out. I have now corrected the BOM document.

PS The next batch of kits has an updated PCB whith this fixed.

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Re: Ryk M185 Sequencer - per step repeat and gate mode

Post by KSS » Wed May 13, 2020 3:09 am

Based on PCB photo just shared, and since you're doing a PCB re-spin.
Ryk, might want to move the RefDes from under the installed components? Not going to be much use in a future inspection-repair if they can't be seen.

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Re: Ryk M185 Sequencer - per step repeat and gate mode

Post by odmundeetgen » Wed May 13, 2020 5:06 am

ryk wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 10:08 am
odmundeetgen wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 9:28 am
ryk wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 2:17 pm
odmundeetgen wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 5:57 am
Was super excited when the postman dropped of my kit this morning, only to find one of the PCBs was missing! Oh well, have emailed and hopefully will be able to get one sent soon. In the mean time I'll just be eying the components and build guide forlornly – the panel is beautiful!
Hello

Very sorry about that.
A few packages seem to have gone out without the smaller PCB.

The packaging dept [me] has been repremanded ! :doh:
Already got the replacement, cheers for that!

I've got everything built and it (i thought) calibrated correctly – however I've got an issue where if I have the Gate Mode set to Off on voice 5 the sequence stops, the LED turns green and stays stuck on step one. I feel like this is probably caused by a short somewhere but after scouring all morning I can't see any dodgy soldering. I don't suppose you'd have a suggestion on where to look? From what i can tell the switch itself is soldered well and no jumps

thanks for such an awesome module!

Hello

When it locks up with green LED at stage 1, can you move the LED with the NEXT and PREV buttons ?

If so, it sounds like there might be a short between SW-B3 [ Gate mode for stage 5 ] and the Split_Mode select switch line [ highlighted ]. This would cause the Seq to jump into SPLIT programming mode [ ### ].
Please check carefully around the area circled in the picture. [ Which is the underside of board, bottom row of 8way switches, 5th in from RHS when viewd underneath ]

ryk

Thanks for your help! I went over every solder point and got it working, really really enjoying

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Re: Ryk M185 Sequencer - per step repeat and gate mode

Post by ryk » Wed May 13, 2020 4:08 pm

KSS wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 3:09 am
Based on PCB photo just shared, and since you're doing a PCB re-spin.
Ryk, might want to move the RefDes from under the installed components? Not going to be much use in a future inspection-repair if they can't be seen.
Good point, especially the switch in the screen grab.
Unfortunately the other board is much more cramped, and there is no room for info
apart from on the component.
This is why I have put a map of components in the BOM documentation.

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Re: Ryk M185 Sequencer - per step repeat and gate mode

Post by ryk » Wed May 13, 2020 4:09 pm

odmundeetgen wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 5:06 am

Thanks for your help! I went over every solder point and got it working, really really enjoying

Great.
Glad you got it working.

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Re: Ryk M185 Sequencer - per step repeat and gate mode

Post by adnauseam » Thu May 14, 2020 9:41 pm

Hey, Ryk, I think you might appreciate this. Found in the modular memes thread

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Re: Ryk M185 Sequencer - per step repeat and gate mode

Post by ryk » Fri May 15, 2020 8:49 am

adnauseam wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 9:41 pm
Hey, Ryk, I think you might appreciate this. Found in the modular memes thread

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Ha ha.

That's great !
Verry funny.

Although technically, I did think the reprise of the M185 kit was more a 'return of the jedi' :party:

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Re: Ryk M185 Sequencer - per step repeat and gate mode

Post by Sethvl » Sat May 16, 2020 9:48 am

Hello,

I’m having some trouble calibrating the module.
On ch1 I get a range of about 2.4 to 5V, the closest I can get to 1V (with the max stages switch set to 1) is 1.7V. Ch2 is always at 4.8V.
I’ve checked the placement and orientation of all components as well as all the joints, but I couldn’t find the error. :despair:
Any tips on where to look next or, if possible, a schematic would be much appreciated. :help:

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Re: Ryk M185 Sequencer - per step repeat and gate mode

Post by ryk » Sun May 17, 2020 4:14 pm

Sethvl wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 9:48 am
Hello,

I’m having some trouble calibrating the module.
On ch1 I get a range of about 2.4 to 5V, the closest I can get to 1V (with the max stages switch set to 1) is 1.7V. Ch2 is always at 4.8V.
I’ve checked the placement and orientation of all components as well as all the joints, but I couldn’t find the error. :despair:
Any tips on where to look next or, if possible, a schematic would be much appreciated. :help:
Hello

Oh dear.
Sorry to hear about the problems with the callibration.

Does the green stage LED move when you change the Max Stages switch ?

Please double check the poly capacitors [ C12,C15 ] care the correct values 1nF [ there are two types that look identical ].
Can you check the CH1 CV voltage at the output of IC7 PIN 7 [ this is the opamp output of CV1 before the portamento circuit ]

Also might be worth some kind of technical check [ ? DMM resistor check ] of R34 R28 which should be 120K
These resistors feed the op-amp [IC7] CV outputs.
The reason I mention this is that their colour codes are identical to the 13k resistor if read backwards. [ as unfortunately the tolerance band is brown ]

Also check the power supply on IC7. It should have +12v on pin 8, and -12v on pin 4 .

Please message me a high-res photo of the PCB top and bottom, so I can try and help out.

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Re: Ryk M185 Sequencer - per step repeat and gate mode

Post by hv0190 » Tue May 19, 2020 9:49 am

Hey guys,
I ran into problems right after switching on my power supply:
no matter which button I press the two leftmost LEDs are red ... I'm not quite sure if that means
I'm in firmware update mode or is there something really wrong ...
I checked the values of the parts twice, haven't found any shorts, measured voltages of the ICs, but all that seems to be ok ...
Any help would be much appreciated!

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Re: Ryk M185 Sequencer - per step repeat and gate mode

Post by ryk » Tue May 19, 2020 12:34 pm

hv0190 wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 9:49 am
Hey guys,
I ran into problems right after switching on my power supply:
no matter which button I press the two leftmost LEDs are red ... I'm not quite sure if that means
I'm in firmware update mode or is there something really wrong ...
I checked the values of the parts twice, haven't found any shorts, measured voltages of the ICs, but all that seems to be ok ...
Any help would be much appreciated!
Hello

It does sound like your seq is booting up in Firmware Update mode [ indicated by the 2 LHS red LEDs ]
This happems when the Reset [ RED ] buttom is pressed during power up.

The first thing I would check is the orientation of the Reset button [ PBS4 ].
Make sure the flat edge is orientated with the flat edge on the PCB drawing.
[ if it is 90deg rotated, this would cause a short to the Reset line, causing your problem ]

If the switch is fitted correctly, then I would suggest checking very carefully that there are no
shorts on the lines running from the swithces.
AND that the other switches are also fitted corectly [ with flat edge alined to flat edge on the PCB drawing ]

Let me know how you get on.

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Re: Ryk M185 Sequencer - per step repeat and gate mode

Post by djthopa » Tue May 19, 2020 4:48 pm

Hi!

So one of my kits came with only one 100nf poly cap :(

Can i use any other cap of the same value that is non poly?

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Re: Ryk M185 Sequencer - per step repeat and gate mode

Post by djthopa » Tue May 19, 2020 5:06 pm

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so I found these:

One on the left is the original, the two on the right are my spares, i think it should be good to go?
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Re: Ryk M185 Sequencer - per step repeat and gate mode

Post by djthopa » Tue May 19, 2020 5:38 pm

found the missing one, cheers

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Re: Ryk M185 Sequencer - per step repeat and gate mode

Post by hv0190 » Wed May 20, 2020 1:47 am

ryk wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 12:34 pm
hv0190 wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 9:49 am
Hey guys,
I ran into problems right after switching on my power supply:
no matter which button I press the two leftmost LEDs are red ... I'm not quite sure if that means
I'm in firmware update mode or is there something really wrong ...
I checked the values of the parts twice, haven't found any shorts, measured voltages of the ICs, but all that seems to be ok ...
Any help would be much appreciated!
Hello

It does sound like your seq is booting up in Firmware Update mode [ indicated by the 2 LHS red LEDs ]
This happems when the Reset [ RED ] buttom is pressed during power up.

The first thing I would check is the orientation of the Reset button [ PBS4 ].
Make sure the flat edge is orientated with the flat edge on the PCB drawing.
[ if it is 90deg rotated, this would cause a short to the Reset line, causing your problem ]

If the switch is fitted correctly, then I would suggest checking very carefully that there are no
shorts on the lines running from the swithces.
AND that the other switches are also fitted corectly [ with flat edge alined to flat edge on the PCB drawing ]

Let me know how you get on.

Cheers
ryk
Hi Ryk,
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly and wouldn't you know:
Instead of checking values, power supply lines, looking for shorts and wasting your time I should simply have taken
a much closer look: the "Right" button was soldered in rotated by 90 degrees ... :bang: :bang: :bang:
So I soldered it in correctly and everything is working like a charm now!
"Isn't it funny how naughty dentists always make that same fatal mistake" (CI Lemming, BDA).

Greetings from Munich!

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Re: Ryk M185 Sequencer - per step repeat and gate mode

Post by ryk » Wed May 20, 2020 8:09 am

hv0190 wrote: Hi Ryk,
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly and wouldn't you know:
Instead of checking values, power supply lines, looking for shorts and wasting your time I should simply have taken
a much closer look: the "Right" button was soldered in rotated by 90 degrees ... :bang: :bang: :bang:
So I soldered it in correctly and everything is working like a charm now!
"Isn't it funny how naughty dentists always make that same fatal mistake" (CI Lemming, BDA).

Greetings from Munich!

Hello

Great !
Glad it's all working.

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Re: Ryk M185 Sequencer - per step repeat and gate mode

Post by ryk » Wed May 20, 2020 8:12 am

djthopa wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 4:48 pm
Hi!

So one of my kits came with only one 100nf poly cap :(

Can i use any other cap of the same value that is non poly?

Cheers
Hello

No, these caps have to be poly.

But it sounds like you have found it ?

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Re: Ryk M185 Sequencer - per step repeat and gate mode

Post by Sethvl » Wed May 20, 2020 8:49 am

ryk wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 4:14 pm
Hello

Oh dear.
Sorry to hear about the problems with the callibration.

Does the green stage LED move when you change the Max Stages switch ?

Please double check the poly capacitors [ C12,C15 ] care the correct values 1nF [ there are two types that look identical ].
Can you check the CH1 CV voltage at the output of IC7 PIN 7 [ this is the opamp output of CV1 before the portamento circuit ]

Also might be worth some kind of technical check [ ? DMM resistor check ] of R34 R28 which should be 120K
These resistors feed the op-amp [IC7] CV outputs.
The reason I mention this is that their colour codes are identical to the 13k resistor if read backwards. [ as unfortunately the tolerance band is brown ]

Also check the power supply on IC7. It should have +12v on pin 8, and -12v on pin 4 .

Please message me a high-res photo of the PCB top and bottom, so I can try and help out.

Cheers
ryk
Hi ryk, thanks for the reply.

-The green LED does move when I change the max stages switch.
- the poly capacitors and the 120k resistors are in the right place
-The power supply on the TL072 is good, on pin 7 the voltage is the same as on the output.

The issue with CH2 cv is resolved, turns out I accidentally measured the gate output instead of cv. :doh:
I’ll pm you some photos ASAP.

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Re: Ryk M185 Sequencer - per step repeat and gate mode

Post by n82558 » Wed May 20, 2020 1:46 pm

Hey ryk, super excited for this build! I ordered mine back on 5/5, any chance you know how long these are taking to get to the USA? Thanks!

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Post by ryk » Wed May 20, 2020 3:14 pm

n82558 wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 1:46 pm
Hey ryk, super excited for this build! I ordered mine back on 5/5, any chance you know how long these are taking to get to the USA? Thanks!
Hello

Thanks for the order !
Unfortunately the shipping to US is super slow at the moment, quite
a few people still waiting for delivery.

Can you PM me your name/email and I can send you the tracking info.

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Post by n82558 » Wed May 20, 2020 3:23 pm

Sent!

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Post by ryk » Wed May 20, 2020 3:29 pm


Hi ryk, thanks for the reply.

-The green LED does move when I change the max stages switch.
- the poly capacitors and the 120k resistors are in the right place
-The power supply on the TL072 is good, on pin 7 the voltage is the same as on the output.

The issue with CH2 cv is resolved, turns out I accidentally measured the gate output instead of cv. :doh:
I’ll pm you some photos ASAP.

Hello

Can you check R28 ?
It should be 120k, but if read back to front it looks the same as 13k, maybe they got mixed up.
If this is true then R16 might be wrong too [ R16 is the real 13k ]

This resistor feeds the PWM smoothing circuit for CH1 CV.
If this was a lower value such as 13k, this might explain why they voltages your are getting on
CV1 are too high.

If these resistors are ok, then can you try the calibration but checking the voltage of
IC7 PIN7 [ this is the where the is CV generated, before it is re-routed through the portamento circuit.

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Post by ryk » Wed May 20, 2020 3:35 pm

n82558 wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 3:23 pm
Sent!

Thanks.
Sent !

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