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Re: Cloney VCS3 Clone Builders?

Post by alka » Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:42 am

Portabella wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:29 pm
alka wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:33 am
In the end after meticulously building I had an issue that was only tracked down by Derek that involved one bad transistor in the PSU section of Board A.
How did Derek track it down? Was it sending tons of emails back and forth or did you actually send him your unit?
Further I am curious of the faulty transistor was delivered faulty or if you actually fried it while soldering?
I'm extremely careful soldering so it must have been a dud transistor or maybe even out of spec. As one wiggler noted, these units are very particular regarding components and subtle spec variations. But yes in the end I was stumped and it was easier to just send the populated boards to Derek. He was very prompt and communicative as he tested and noted that it was the hardest problem to find in all his days working with these so I didn't feel too bad :razz:
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Re: Cloney VCS3 Clone Builders?

Post by alka » Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:53 am

Portabella wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:29 pm
alka wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:33 am
In the end after meticulously building I had an issue that was only tracked down by Derek that involved one bad transistor in the PSU section of Board A.
How did Derek track it down? Was it sending tons of emails back and forth or did you actually send him your unit?
Further I am curious of the faulty transistor was delivered faulty or if you actually fried it while soldering?
I'm extremely careful soldering so it must have been a dud transistor or maybe even out of spec. As one wiggler noted, these units are very particular regarding components and subtle spec variations. But yes in the end I was stumped and it was easier to just send the populated boards to Derek. He was very prompt and communicative as he tested and noted that it was the hardest problem to find in all his days working with these so I didn't feel too bad :razz:
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Post by j450nn014n » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:50 am

Portabella wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:05 am
Yes, I am buildidng one too. Got all parts now besides the matrix.
There seem to be not too many people around here doing it
There's a facebook builders group up now... I heard the matrix are still on hold. did you get yours?
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Post by j450nn014n » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:51 am

alka wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:08 pm
I've built one. Will chime in with any tips if I can!
Thanks. I still wonder if I'm doing it right, but ok so far.
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Post by j450nn014n » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:54 am

sanders wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:36 pm
I'll be building a Cloney; probably won't start till I receive the Matrix.

I finished a Synthi a few years ago using Derek Revell's original boards(which took me almost a decade all told). It was a bear to finally get working properly, and I have issues with it to this day due to some inferior parts I elected to use (mainly the card connectors, but also the vernier dials and joystick).

If I could give myself some advice beyond that, I'd say spend as much time as needed to plan out the wiring paths so that they reproduce the neat tidy paths employed by EMS, use multicolored wires so it's easy to tell what's what (when you have a million wires all meeting up in one place.

I've been wondering myself why there isn't a Cloney topic here on Muffs yet. It should probably be started in the DIY section. There is a Derek Revell/Synthi topic there already, but I think a separate VCS3-type build topic is warranted.
That is exactly where I am now. Wiring. I have all the boards and PSU done, and am considering the wiring. The unshielded was pretty easy, though I should have left more slack. I'm keeping colours consistent and bundling things up with velcro (for the moment).

I'm thinking of doing all the 12/9/0V stuff in solid wire and bend it all to look sane and nice, but I'm not 100% sold on that one.
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Post by j450nn014n » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:56 am

Portabella wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:46 pm
So started building the Cloney today.. first steps.
It's a massive project, populating the PCBs and all the mechanic work is one thing but the wiring is extraordinary! Honestly, I underestimated all the work.
But the quality of parts, panels and the case is phenomenal.
Agreed. The wiring scared me the most so I've left it until last. I *think* I'm beginning to understand it. Have the non-shielded done which taught me a lot. Good luck!
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Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:58 am
I'm working on my own PCBs, which are period accurate copies of the originals. I grabbed a matrix from ebay a while back which got me into this mess to begin with...

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Re: Cloney VCS3 Clone Builders?

Post by j450nn014n » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:59 am

LED-man wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 5:49 am
I made a issue list on my website for the 2019 Cloney version.
Access is only possible with an account and for Cloney users.
https://www.dsl-man.de/display/DSO/Clon ... nd+support

I’ll give „edit“ permission on my page for every user, feel free to add known issues or other related infos.
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Re: Cloney VCS3 Clone Builders?

Post by delayed » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:11 pm

Is there a waiting list to get a kit?

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Re: Cloney VCS3 Clone Builders?

Post by Portabella » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:02 am

hey fellow builders,

I have a question regarding thosee 4x 0.1 uF capacitors which seem to sit directly in the audio path of the filter.
probably this is a veery important part of how the filter will sound.
in my kit there were some very cheap and small ceramic capacitros.
does it make any sense to swap these out for better ones or maybe even some NOS capacitors to get a nice vintage sound?
and if so, what would you suggest? styroflex? polypropylene?
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Post by KSS » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:17 pm

Portabella wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:02 am
I have a question regarding thosee 4x 0.1 uF capacitors which seem to sit directly in the audio path of the filter.
probably this is a veery important part of how the filter will sound.
in my kit there were some very cheap and small ceramic capacitros.
does it make any sense to swap these out for better ones or maybe even some NOS capacitors to get a nice vintage sound?
and if so, what would you suggest? styroflex? polypropylene?
Those *are* the same as the originals. If you want *this synth's* vintage sound,m just use them. After that, you're in virgin territory, so let the capacitor sound games begin!

FWIW, the ARP2500 1006 ladder filter also used similar ceramic disc caps. Nothing special about the caps in many minimoogs either.

So on the "vintage sound" question, I think you're ok using what you have.

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Re: Cloney VCS3 Clone Builders?

Post by cnicht » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:47 am

Interesting discussions here about filter capacitors:

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=65022&start=650

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Re: Cloney VCS3 Clone Builders?

Post by Portabella » Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:55 am

KSS wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:17 pm

Those *are* the same as the originals. If you want *this synth's* vintage sound,m just use them. After that, you're in virgin territory, so let the capacitor sound games begin!
Well pictured is an actual original EMS.. it was just meant to be symbolic.
In my clone I have very small ceramic caps like these:

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cnicht wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:47 am
Interesting discussions here about filter capacitors:

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=65022&start=650
Thanks for the head-up !
Thats an interesting read and interesting in general in terms of what I can mod in my clone :)
Thank you

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delayed wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:11 pm
Is there a waiting list to get a kit?
Unfortunately, there are no more Cloney kits available. I don't know who might be doing it now, if anyone.
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Re: Cloney VCS3 Clone Builders?

Post by budgrubber » Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:00 am

Hi Everyone. How are your Cloney builds going? I am just wiring the upper control panel now. Did anyone do this step successfully? Any tips? It's very intimidating.

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Post by LED-man » Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:30 pm

Nearly finished the 3 in total 5.
Look at my website for more pictures and help.
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Post by budgrubber » Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:09 pm

It took me a bit to decipher the diagrams and build guide's numbering system. I think I have a solid start on it. I never got a matrix from Matthias and don't know if I ever will at this point. Do you buy yours directly from Ghielmetti? or is there another source?

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Re: Cloney VCS3 Clone Builders?

Post by dksynth » Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:42 pm

just sent some money to germany and a cloney kit is on my way :)

looks like I will be joining you all on this project!

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Re: Cloney VCS3 Clone Builders?

Post by search64 » Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:22 am

Huh, how? He just posted on facebook that the project was killed and no more kits would be made...

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Post by budgrubber » Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:55 pm

I got an email back in May saying that the matrix (or matrices) were being completed and that the project was still going. Maybe just to finish the kits that are already started.

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Re: Cloney VCS3 Clone Builders?

Post by Clemdu » Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:39 am

Hello!
Did anybody see any news on the joystick upgrade?
Alka, I see on your instagram that you got one, did I miss the bus on this?

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Post by dksynth » Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:46 am

search64 wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:22 am
Huh, how? He just posted on facebook that the project was killed and no more kits would be made...

Bought a kit that someone decided not to build

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Post by search64 » Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:32 am

Dammit, guess I missed out on that then. I've been waiting to get my hands on a kit.

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Post by budgrubber » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:34 am

I'm have to admit that I am getting a little frustrated with myself. Even with the lock down in effect I have found very little time to work on my Cloney. Part of the problem is that without an ETA on the matrix I know that there is no way that it will get "finished." The cabinet and the panels are finished. The power supply is wired up. Still need to populate the boards and finish the back panel wiring.
Just having trouble keeping motivated.

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Post by LED-man » Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:42 pm

You can order a ghiellmetti matrix.
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