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Serge/cgs108 gain cell vca

Post by ketem13 » Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:22 am

Is there anywhere I could find the gain cell vca schematics?
I could not find it anywhere.
Any reason for that?

Thanks in advanced.

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Re: Serge/cgs108 gain cell vca

Post by lemberski » Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:03 am

Look here:
http://www.deliandiver.com/designs/serge-gain-cell

and here for a short explanation how it works:

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Re: Serge/cgs108 gain cell vca

Post by pugix » Sat Apr 03, 2021 4:07 pm

lemberski wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:03 am
Look here:
http://www.deliandiver.com/designs/serge-gain-cell
I downloaded the schematic from there. Never saw that before, although I drew it for myself at the time I built Ken Stone's Serge VCFQ.

https://pugix.com/synth/serge-vcfq-and- ... e-shapers/

Click the Serge Gain Cell link on my page above to get Ken's description of the gain cell, where he stated, "The circuit is proprietary, and I do not have permission to share the schematic."

I have drawn or received a lot of proprietary schematics, but I don't publish them.
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Re: Serge/cgs108 gain cell vca

Post by pugix » Sat Apr 03, 2021 4:34 pm

lemberski wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:03 am
Wow, that Youtube channel is a great resource!
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Re: Serge/cgs108 gain cell vca

Post by loki » Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:46 pm

This is one of the bits of synthesizer circuit design history that is continually misrepresented. The "Serge gain cell" was patented first in a diode version by Thomas Stockham and Alan Oppenheim filed in 1967, see US patent 3,518,578. A patent covering a compression/expansion system. It was then patented in transistor form, filed in 1971, by David Blackmer. US patent 3,714,462 Since it was published by the US patent office and the patents are now expired, it is nonsense for Ken Stone to claim it is proprietary.

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Re: Serge/cgs108 gain cell vca

Post by cygmu » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:06 am

This reminded me to retrieve those patents which I think loki has mentioned before. While I was doing that I thought I might as well post the links here for others, to save them the nine clicks it took me.

Oppenheim and Stockham: https://patents.google.com/patent/US3518578A/
Blackmer: https://patents.google.com/patent/US3714462A/

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Re: Serge/cgs108 gain cell vca

Post by Rob Kam » Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:49 am

I read it not so much that Ken Stone claims the patents are proprietary as that at the time he posted that page to the web Serge Tcherepnin had not consented to having the schematic published.

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