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Post by raisinbag » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:34 am

One thing I have been wanting to try for my guitar is the ghost stuff from graphtech. They have a version for bass. You have to swap out your saddles for the ghost ones, but each saddle picks up each strong separately and sends to a pcb that you have to instal in your axe and drill holes ect. I have usd Roland gk stuff and its ok, but I'm dyin to try out the graphtech system. Go have a look.

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Post by Dcramer » Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:46 am

The Industrial Radio stuff is amazing because it uses wired frets, it tracks in a much faster more accurate way.
Bit by bit app devs are working on software that tracks pretty good, better than the Roland stuff.

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Post by HotLoveDrama » Sun Feb 14, 2016 6:53 am

Has anybody had any success with pitch tracker devices in Max for Live ?(IRCAMAX2 or Pitch Tracker in Time Machines collection from Cycling74)

I didn't find the right setting to make it work well with my Bass although the tracking seemed to be quick enough.

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Post by VinceL » Sun Feb 14, 2016 10:44 am

As mentioned earlier in the thread, basses are just so low in frequency that it takes a long time to resolve the pitch and translate to MIDI.

If you want a bass that can be used as a normal bass plus has low latency MIDI capability for a reasonable price, I think the Peavey MIDIBase is your best (only?) option.

I picked one up on ebay a few years ago. It included the bass, MIDI unit, and the Peavey sound module. I was always worried about the multi-conductor cable failing. I found a brand new cable on ebay about a year later for an incredibly low price...I think some music store had gone out of business and they were selling everything off and didn't realize what it was.

Set up a search on ebay...they come up from time to time.

I've been very lucky buying basses on ebay....in addition to the MIDIBase, I've picked up a Dan Armstrong bass and an Epi EB3 Elite.
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Post by Headless4001 » Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:16 am

Hi

There is a new B2M which is worth a look - they have taken on board lots of user comments and complaints.

You have to adapt your playing style a bit to get clean triggering.

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Post by Mr.Rubenzo » Sun Mar 06, 2016 4:55 pm

Dcramer wrote:The Industrial Radio stuff is amazing because it uses wired frets, it tracks in a much faster more accurate way.
Bit by bit app devs are working on software that tracks pretty good, better than the Roland stuff.
I agree! Have seen some good reviews for both the four- and five stringed midi-bases from Industrial Radio. I'm considering one myself, after a new laptop and my upcoming modular addiction though... I don't exactly know how you define a 'fucktonne' but if it drifts around 4000 quid, there's your midi-bass/potential fucktonne! I am quite sure though that voltage pickups and bass synthesizers (i.e. Roland's GK-3B in conjunction with the GR-55) will be becoming better over the next few years. Good luck on your quest fellow bass-baker! :bananaguitar:

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Duplicate! Oops...

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Post by VinceL » Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:19 pm

I believe the Industrial Radio guys were involved with the Peavey MIDIbase. Based upon the information on their website, it is definitely a very similar design to the Peavey MIDIbase.

But, the Industrial Radio bass is some very serious :75: :woah:

As I mentioned in an earlier post, the Peavey MIDIbase's come up on ebay regularly. There are 3 listed on ebay as I type this, and 2 are under $1,000. I'm very happy with mine which I purchased on ebay several years ago.
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Post by The Grump » Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:08 am

The main problem lies in the fact that most pitch to digital systems have an incredibly difficult time discerning the fundamental frequency in a bass. Think about the physics involved. A low E is 60Hz. That means it takes 16.666... ms for one cycle to occur. I don't know how much recording you do into DAWs, but 17ms of latency is a nightmare to try to play with. And that's assuming that once the frequency of the note is determined, transmission of the midi note, and triggering a synth are instantaneous, which is not how reality works.

When I ran this problem by Don Buchla, years ago, he suggested distorting the living shit out of the audio until it was reduced to a square wave, which would then be easier to read. I haven't tried this method, but it was an interesting idea. That said, the wired fret solution, to a decent degree, works.

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Post by Delta T » Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:55 am

Something I've been meaning to try but haven't got around to, is running my bass into my POG 2 and then running it into an audio-midi program like Jam Origins Midi Guitar. The POG can put out an octave up signal which might prove to track well enough for pads, etc. I would just set the POG toutput only the octave up signal, which tends to have fewer harmonics hen a regular guitar string would. Percussive sounds like piano would probably be difficult because of conversion latency though.

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Post by Dark Barn » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:44 am

Delta T wrote:Something I've been meaning to try but haven't got around to, is running my bass into my POG 2 and then running it into an audio-midi program like Jam Origins Midi Guitar. The POG can put out an octave up signal which might prove to track well enough for pads, etc. I would just set the POG toutput only the octave up signal, which tends to have fewer harmonics hen a regular guitar string would. Percussive sounds like piano would probably be difficult because of conversion latency though.
Jam Origins also makes a MIDI Bass program. Your solution might be good for reducing latency though, worth a try. They have a free trial version so it's no loss to have a crack at it. In my experience the bass version is ok and fun to mess around with but not something I would be comfortable playing live with.

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Post by shroomt » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:45 pm

Hi everyone,

Reviving this thread to put in my two cents. Have had great success using the Roland GK-3B into the Roland GI-20 with the Bend Range set to 12 semitones.

All you have to do is make sure that the synth/softsynth you're playing through has the option of setting the bend range the same as the GI-20.

Works on poly and mono synths. Been successfully using it with my Oberheim Matrix 6 R and my Dreadbox Hades (which has a set bend range of + - 12)

Fret wrap and impeccable technique are essential.

I'll log on later and post some examples.

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Post by deltaphoenix » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:18 am

I am back in the Bass>Midi game. I have a Peavey CyberBass. I need to dial it in but it does work as is.

Will share some vids after I dial it in.

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Post by Gringo Starr » Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:52 pm

It would be a dream come true to be able to play the bass and accurately control a synth with it.
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Post by tdutz » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:26 am

Plus one for the Peavey Midibase! I had one for years and really liked it. It would occasionally mis-track a note though, so it's not ideal for live performance. It has lots of control settings and functions - most of which are accessible directly from the bass itself which is cool.

And yes the Industrial Radio ones look fantastic but are prohibitively expensive for us working stiffs.

Cheers!

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Post by Modrik » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:50 pm

deltaphoenix wrote:I am back in the Bass>Midi game. I have a Peavey CyberBass. I need to dial it in but it does work as is.

Will share some vids after I dial it in.
The CyberBass seems very rare and there´s not much info on the web. I´ve been curious about it. They made 4-5 models in this bass series and I think this was the last one.

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Post by deltaphoenix » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:34 am

Modrik wrote:
deltaphoenix wrote:I am back in the Bass>Midi game. I have a Peavey CyberBass. I need to dial it in but it does work as is.

Will share some vids after I dial it in.
The CyberBass seems very rare and there´s not much info on the web. I´ve been curious about it. They made 4-5 models in this bass series and I think this was the last one.
Yeah they are maybe less utilitarian than the MidiBases. Their processor is supposed to be faster and they have a newer firmware than the Midibase. It is the last Peavey bass/midi controller before Steve Chick eventually started Industrial Radio.

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Post by wyrtti » Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:40 pm

I ran into this on the Internet:
https://www.rorguitars.com/products/expressiv-midi-bass

It seems like a different idea from the wired frets the Peavey et. al. basses. Not cheap either.

Anyway, I have had pretty good results with having a Roland hex-pickup on the 6 highest strings of the NS/Stick. Comfy 34” scale, combuned with thin strings, makes pitch to midi a bit easier than a normal bass.
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