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Buchla Newbie - cabinet config question

Post by Ozz » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:10 am

Hello all,

I am starting to put together my first Buchla 200e/r system.

I would like to know your experiences with different boats/cases configurations, which one is the easiest to work with: classic Buchla 203 style cabinet, all-vertical modular type, easel "flat" style, skylab "desktop" style, others?

Thanks a lot for your help.

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Re: Buchla Newbie - cabinet config question

Post by vgermuse » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:45 am

Ozz wrote:Hello all,

I am starting to put together my first Buchla 200e/r system.

I would like to know your experiences with different boats/cases configurations, which one is the easiest to work with: classic Buchla 203 style cabinet, all-vertical modular type, easel "flat" style, skylab "desktop" style, others?

Thanks a lot for your help.
Quick clarifying questions: How many modules do you envision in your system? Will it be mainly used in the studio or transported to live performances? Cheers and welcome aboard.

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Re: Buchla Newbie - cabinet config question

Post by Ozz » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:43 am

vgermuse wrote:
Ozz wrote:Hello all,

I am starting to put together my first Buchla 200e/r system.

I would like to know your experiences with different boats/cases configurations, which one is the easiest to work with: classic Buchla 203 style cabinet, all-vertical modular type, easel "flat" style, skylab "desktop" style, others?

Thanks a lot for your help.
Quick clarifying questions: How many modules do you envision in your system? Will it be mainly used in the studio or transported to live performances? Cheers and welcome aboard.
Hi Todd,

Thanks for the welcoming and help. I am planning for a 18U system, 4 of which will be used to house a 223e. I will start with 8U and go from there.

It will be used in the studio. My desk is 10cm lower than the standard office desk height (for more proper keys height).

Thanks again.
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Post by vgermuse » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:16 am

Then I would suggest an 18 boat from boops, either in metal (pictured below) or wood, depending on your aesthetic. Also, if you ever wanted to add a module or two you could put your 223e controller in an outboard frame :-)
I find the curved cases easier to patch than either vertical or flat ones, my personal preference.

Happy exploring!



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Post by Ozz » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:28 am

Thanks a lot Todd, that is exactly what I wanted to know.

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Re: Buchla Newbie - cabinet config question / Modules

Post by galaxiesmerge » Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:56 pm

I'm working on putting together a Buchla System (about 12 modules). I am wondering if the outputs from the Complex waveform itself and using the 230e with preamp overdriven to clip the sine-wave and sending that to filters like the triple morphing may provide a lot more color and a way to use the modulation oscillator. I realize the complex waveform generator principal oscillator is great but this is a question about the use of the modulation oscillator. Or is there another way to better wave shape its output? The alternative is an 18 modules system with extra oscillators.

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Re: Buchla Newbie - cabinet config question

Post by weedywhizz » Sat Feb 22, 2020 2:49 am

Hey Ozz,

you can also check out those:
https://www.samodular.com

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Re: Buchla Newbie - cabinet config question / Modules

Post by dougcl » Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:09 pm

galaxiesmerge wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:56 pm
Or is there another way to better wave shape its output? The alternative is an 18 modules system with extra oscillators.
It's been a while since I have used a 230e, so that might be a fine idea, but since you seem to be considering a 291e and you are looking for more voices, you can use the 291e patched into itself to create oscillators. So you could, for example, feed the mod osc to channel A of the 291e and FM the channel using channel B in self oscillation.

The other option would be something like the 285e.

It's hard to say what your options are though because I can't know what modules you have or are considering having in the 12wls. Generally there should be plenty of room in a 12wls, provided you restrict yourself to single space modules.

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Re: Buchla Newbie - cabinet config question

Post by galaxiesmerge » Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:31 pm

Thanks Doug!

Here's what I was thinking of, with a focus on rhythmic or percussion:

SPACES MODULE
2 1 x 252e Buchla Polyphonic Rhythm Generator
1 1 x 261e Complex Waveform Generator
1 1 x 259e Twisted Waveform Generator
1 1 x 267e Uncertainty Source / Dual Filter
1 1 x 291e Triple Morphing Filter
1 1 x 207e Mixer / Microphone Preamplifier
1 1 x 281e Quad Function Generator
1 1 x 292e Quad Dynamics Manager
1 1 x 210e Control and Signal Router
1 1 x 230e Triple Envelope Tracker / Preamplifier
1 1 x 225e MIDI Decoder / Preset Manager
Total 12 Modules Cabinet

The question is whether the MIDI Decoder replaces the 252e and if it does I would have instead:

1 x 285e Frequency Shifter / Balanced Modulator
1 x 251e Quad Sequential Voltage Source

or maybe
1 x 285e Frequency Shifter / Balanced Modulator
1 x 257e Control Voltage Processor

I'm trying to learn by listening to modules and videos as well as reading.

But nothing beats community help for a newbie considering this.

I don't have a reference for Buchla gear - I have a Modcan modular (112 - modules) but that does not have the Buchla paradigm.

Thanks!

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Re: Buchla Newbie - cabinet config question

Post by Default1 » Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:20 pm

If you are getting the triple morphing filter, you may not need the 267e, and you could get a source of uncertainty instead. Likewise, you don’t really need two preset managers. Ditching one would allow another oscillator, for example

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Post by mirf59 » Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:25 pm

galaxiesmerge wrote:
Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:31 pm
Thanks Doug!

Here's what I was thinking of, with a focus on rhythmic or percussion:

SPACES MODULE
2 1 x 252e Buchla Polyphonic Rhythm Generator
1 1 x 261e Complex Waveform Generator
1 1 x 259e Twisted Waveform Generator
1 1 x 267e Uncertainty Source / Dual Filter
1 1 x 291e Triple Morphing Filter
1 1 x 207e Mixer / Microphone Preamplifier
1 1 x 281e Quad Function Generator
1 1 x 292e Quad Dynamics Manager
1 1 x 210e Control and Signal Router
1 1 x 230e Triple Envelope Tracker / Preamplifier
1 1 x 225e MIDI Decoder / Preset Manager
Total 12 Modules Cabinet

The question is whether the MIDI Decoder replaces the 252e and if it does I would have instead:

1 x 285e Frequency Shifter / Balanced Modulator
1 x 251e Quad Sequential Voltage Source

or maybe
1 x 285e Frequency Shifter / Balanced Modulator
1 x 257e Control Voltage Processor

I'm trying to learn by listening to modules and videos as well as reading.

But nothing beats community help for a newbie considering this.

I don't have a reference for Buchla gear - I have a Modcan modular (112 - modules) but that does not have the Buchla paradigm.

Thanks!
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I think you're heavy on bandwidth filtration (267e and 291e) and pre-amps (207e and 230e) there. I'd go 206e rather than 207e, ditch the 225e, replace 267e with 266e (you will want more randomness), and use the space you save on another rhythmic, pulse source like the 251e, maybe. With 206e, you can still use the internal busses to send MIDI into the system (search Buchla forum for thread on this), using the USB firmware card, so you'd still have four channels of MIDI sequencing available to use.

Happy wiggling.

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Re: Buchla Newbie - cabinet config question

Post by galaxiesmerge » Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:51 pm

Thank you Brian! This is super helpful. Another friend told me to buy the Softube Buchla modules and learn with them so that I can get a clearer understanding before building the rack so I am working my way through that. Of course, getting the Softube up and running was itself a lesson worth doing to learn how Ableton and Softube interact through the virtualized MIDI to CV modules ...

Cheers!

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Re: Buchla Newbie - cabinet config question

Post by mutierend » Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:49 pm

IMHO the 210e isn't useful in such a small system. And if you really want its features, get the Studio.H Control & Signal Router instead.

Definitely consider CV processing. The 257e has that really nice slew limiter with pulse outputs. The 252e is really cool but I wonder if you have enough destinations for its CV and pulse outputs.

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