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Re: Buchla System purchase 2020?

Post by Tonefloat01 » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:11 am

REcDeso12oi wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:16 pm

Yup. Sounds and works exactly like a Buchla.. GREAT SUGGESTION

This.. exactly this!
Laughed my ass off watching this :hihi:
Totally the experience that I’m looking for in a Buchla system :sarcasm:
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Re: Buchla System purchase 2020?

Post by mutierend » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:49 pm

While I really don't like having blank panels in my case, I second the suggestion of starting small and growing from there. Get a 12wls case with these modules:

- 261e
- 281e
- 292e
- 266e

That's phase 1. It's ok to not have presets at the beginning. Just explore those modules as much as you can. Really grok how the 281e and 266e works. Then move on to phase 2:

- 225e
- 259e (or DPO/258e)
- 251e

Now you have two sound sources and (my favorite) sequencer, plus preset management, which is essential for the 251e. You can also clock the 251e with MIDI. Really dive into that 251e. Read all the posts here. Todd Barton (I think) created a great PDF with a summary of the posts. With those seven modules, you have a pretty amazing system already. Now it's phase 3:

- 291e
- 256e (or 257e)

Now you're getting into some pretty exciting modulation. The 291e merits focused exploration on its own. The 256e/257e is your avenue to shaping all the crazy CV you can get from the 266e, 251e, and 281e. With those 9 modules, you have a pretty substantial system (and investment). Now you have 3 module spaces left for phase 4. I would suggest:

- 227e
- 223e

Now you have incredible CV generation and modulation, exciting sound sources and modulation, and rich CV control of sound positioning.

Just my 2v for your consideration.

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Re: Buchla System purchase 2020?

Post by Tonefloat01 » Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:16 pm

mutierend wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:49 pm
While I really don't like having blank panels in my case, I second the suggestion of starting small and growing from there. Get a 12wls case with these modules:

- 261e
- 281e
- 292e
- 266e

That's phase 1. It's ok to not have presets at the beginning. Just explore those modules as much as you can. Really grok how the 281e and 266e works.

Just my 2v for your consideration.

You’re probably right..
As much as I’d like to start out with “everything” I should learn from my Eurorack experiences and start much, much smaller this time.
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Re: Buchla System purchase 2020?

Post by fredguy » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:31 pm

mutierend wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:49 pm
While I really don't like having blank panels in my case, I second the suggestion of starting small and growing from there. Get a 12wls case with these modules:

- 261e
- 281e
- 292e
- 266e

That's phase 1. It's ok to not have presets at the beginning. Just explore those modules as much as you can. Really grok how the 281e and 266e works. Then move on to phase 2:

- 225e
- 259e (or DPO/258e)
- 251e

Now you have two sound sources and (my favorite) sequencer, plus preset management, which is essential for the 251e. You can also clock the 251e with MIDI. Really dive into that 251e. Read all the posts here. Todd Barton (I think) created a great PDF with a summary of the posts. With those seven modules, you have a pretty amazing system already. Now it's phase 3:

- 291e
- 256e (or 257e)

Now you're getting into some pretty exciting modulation. The 291e merits focused exploration on its own. The 256e/257e is your avenue to shaping all the crazy CV you can get from the 266e, 251e, and 281e. With those 9 modules, you have a pretty substantial system (and investment). Now you have 3 module spaces left for phase 4. I would suggest:

- 227e
- 223e

Now you have incredible CV generation and modulation, exciting sound sources and modulation, and rich CV control of sound positioning.

Just my 2v for your consideration.
I was in a similar boat, pun intended, but went with a skylab case. The only thing I'd do differently from mutierend's suggestions would be to replace the 225e with a 206e for preset management and output mixing. You could leave out the 227e and have 2 spaces for expansion. Of course you could just get a 18wls case. :hihi:
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Re: Buchla System purchase 2020?

Post by rolsteins » Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:38 am

Tonefloat01 wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:11 am
REcDeso12oi wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:16 pm

Yup. Sounds and works exactly like a Buchla.. GREAT SUGGESTION

This.. exactly this!
Laughed my ass off watching this :hihi:
Totally the experience that I’m looking for in a Buchla system :sarcasm:
If you are into patching and looking for digital system (Buchla 200 is digital, isn't?) secondhand G1 (almost unlimited number of available (and finished) modules and very musical sounding DAC, hundreds of presets you can save and recall for live performance instantly) will cost you 500-700 EUR max. With G1 you can patch "regular" synths sounds, you can patch "all"coast type of sounds, you can process external input, you can create whatever music you like.
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Re: Buchla System purchase 2020?

Post by Tonefloat01 » Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:16 pm

Hey Buchla People,

As you may know I’m seriously considering purchasing a system but I have a few more questions for you if you don’t mind answering for me.

1. Is it normal to wait almost two months to get a new Skylab sized system?
2. Why is there such limited stock (if any...) of new Buchla format modules available at their authorized dealers?
3. Are Buchla modules built to order or are they waiting for a boat to arrive from China (or wherever..) with new stock?
4. For longtime Buchla heads do you see the pond drying up on support (firmware) on the modules that you currently own?(I ask this based on me looking at the firmware revs of some modules saying 2012 was the last update...)
5. While I’m looking at modules that will make my Buchla system stand alone, ultimately I’d like to use it via my computer and control it from my DAW via expert sleepers and/or Ableton CV Tools or Bitwig. For the people currently using their Buchla systems this way, how much of a PIA is this to accomplish based on your experience?
6. Does it make sense to have multiples of the same Buchla oscillators or does one of each suffice?
7. Is the Lem 218 still available?

Thanks! :guinness:

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Re: Buchla System purchase 2020?

Post by mutierend » Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:44 am

Tonefloat01 wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:16 pm
I have a few more questions for you if you don’t mind answering for me.

1. Is it normal to wait almost two months to get a new Skylab sized system?
2. Why is there such limited stock (if any...) of new Buchla format modules available at their authorized dealers?
3. Are Buchla modules built to order or are they waiting for a boat to arrive from China (or wherever..) with new stock?
4. For longtime Buchla heads do you see the pond drying up on support (firmware) on the modules that you currently own?(I ask this based on me looking at the firmware revs of some modules saying 2012 was the last update...)
5. While I’m looking at modules that will make my Buchla system stand alone, ultimately I’d like to use it via my computer and control it from my DAW via expert sleepers and/or Ableton CV Tools or Bitwig. For the people currently using their Buchla systems this way, how much of a PIA is this to accomplish based on your experience?
6. Does it make sense to have multiples of the same Buchla oscillators or does one of each suffice?
7. Is the Lem 218 still available?

Thanks! :guinness:

Mike
These are my opinions.

1. Yes. Buchla is a small company and (I assume) they are focusing on getting the 208C out.
2. See #1. Noisebug usually has a good stock of modules and they are great to work with.
3. I assume they build stock per demand from dealers. The modules are complex and take time to build & test.
4. I really hope so. They did update the app for the USB card, which is great. I would very much like firmware updates to address longstanding bugs.
5. My interface is DC-coupled so I was able to send CV to the Buchla and use a format jumbler to pipe through the CVGT1. MIDI is, of course, the easiest way to do this.
6. That is 100% personal preference, of course. In a small system like a Skylab, I would do two different oscillators, e.g., 261e and DPO, or 261e and 259e.
7. I don't think so. Buchla would know for sure. ;)

We interviewed Eric Fox for Source of Uncertainty episode 4. He provides some details and some hints on some of these questions.

Again, clarifying that these are my opinions/observations and I have no insider information.

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Re: Buchla System purchase 2020?

Post by Tonefloat01 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:40 pm

mutierend wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:44 am
Tonefloat01 wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:16 pm
I have a few more questions for you if you don’t mind answering for me.

Mike
These are my opinions.

1. Yes. Buchla is a small company and (I assume) they are focusing on getting the 208C out.
2. See #1. Noisebug usually has a good stock of modules and they are great to work with.
3. I assume they build stock per demand from dealers. The modules are complex and take time to build & test.
4. I really hope so. They did update the app for the USB card, which is great. I would very much like firmware updates to address longstanding bugs.
5. My interface is DC-coupled so I was able to send CV to the Buchla and use a format jumbler to pipe through the CVGT1. MIDI is, of course, the easiest way to do this.
6. That is 100% personal preference, of course. In a small system like a Skylab, I would do two different oscillators, e.g., 261e and DPO, or 261e and 259e.
7. I don't think so. Buchla would know for sure. ;)

We interviewed Eric Fox for Source of Uncertainty episode 4. He provides some details and some hints on some of these questions.

Again, clarifying that these are my opinions/observations and I have no insider information.
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I listened to your podcast and it gave me a better perspective of where the company (Eric) is headed since the changeover.
When I heard that the Buchla modules (used to be..?) manufactured in Monterey I wondered where because I grew up close to there...
Anyhoo, I learned a lot and It gave me more perspective that the Buchla world runs a bit different than the Eurorack world in that you can’t just drive to your local modular shop(s) and go home with an armful of Buchla modules on a whim... :cry:
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Re: Buchla System purchase 2020?

Post by Tonefloat01 » Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:36 pm

Well, after much deliberation and input from you (the Buchla community) I ordered my first starter system today.
I ordered a LEM 4 with the 259e in place of the 261e and I’m really excited to start my journey in the Buchla universe.
While small, it’s a good way for me to test the waters before going ‘all in’ and buying a much larger system which I had originally intended to do.
Just wanted to say thanks for everyone who chimed in to answer my presale questions and hopefully you’ll all be willing to answer some more again from me in the near future!
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Re: Buchla System purchase 2020?

Post by deltaphoenix » Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:16 pm

Congratulations! I hope you have an awesome and creative Buchla journey.

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Post by Ossicle » Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:52 am

Tonefloat01 wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:36 pm
Well, after much deliberation and input from you (the Buchla community) I ordered my first starter system today.
I ordered a LEM 4 with the 259e in place of the 261e and I’m really excited to start my journey in the Buchla universe.
While small, it’s a good way for me to test the waters before going ‘all in’ and buying a much larger system which I had originally intended to do.
Just wanted to say thanks for everyone who chimed in to answer my presale questions and hopefully you’ll all be willing to answer some more again from me in the near future!
Congrats! I'd say that's a great way to start. It probably won't be that small for long :hihi: But it should give you months of exploration and better to start small anyway before commiting to 10k + And the half sized h series should be easy to resell for someone else wanting to start small.

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Re: Buchla System purchase 2020?

Post by mutierend » Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:43 am

A wise choice indeed. :)

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Re: Buchla System purchase 2020?

Post by Default1 » Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:56 pm

Good choice with the 259e. I think its really the most versatile of the e series oscillators.
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Post by Tonefloat01 » Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:41 pm

Wow, thanks for the reassurance everyone!
Glad to be part of the Buchla family and I’m looking forward to many years of learning and contributing here.
Would have been great to start with a Skylab sized system for sure but after receiving some excellent advice and looking at the bank account I decided to start with a more modest but powerful system.
Who knows, maybe in the future I’ll be looking at that 24 unit case 🙃
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Re: Buchla System purchase 2020?

Post by confusedmachine » Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:00 am

you're gonna have a blast!

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Post by Tonefloat01 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:55 pm

Just received my LEM system yesterday :guinness:
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I tried posting a photo but I guess I don’t have permission to do so..?
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It's not immediately obvious how to include a photo. Go into 'Full Editor & Preview', and underneath the editor is a tab for 'Attachments'. Here you can upload the file, and embed the link in your post.

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Post by ddp » Sat May 02, 2020 5:11 pm

good choice and you'll be able to connect to anything else you want.
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Post by tokyojoe » Sun May 03, 2020 7:22 am

Where did you purchase the LEM4?

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Post by Severed head » Sun May 10, 2020 11:52 am

Tonefloat01 wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:53 pm
The modular worlds (Eurorack & soon Buchla) are sonic escapes and much appreciated time away from all the screens.
Thanks for the advice though!
So your not entirely new to this world.

- my initial response was to says
If your a total newb to modular hardware(soft synths (vat modular) don’t count in my world as it’s a similar but different ball game) I would say buy a EUrack setup or one of the other more “affordable” options. As you never know if you’ll even gel with the work flow of the Hardware version or be so inclined to buy all the actual modules.
But if your a EUrack user already.

Then the questions your asking seem to be more about Getting positive reinforcement of your splurging on something that you want to see as provident when it’s clearly frivolous.Unless your a “professional/working” musician. Which is fine. Cuz,
Be it frivolous or provident if you want it and have the cash to spend BUY THAT SHIT, and if you don’t like it sell it.
Because if you got the money to buy the system you described/listed loosing a little in the second hand market if you don’t like it really isn’t gonna hurt you all that much.
Cuz that’s a pretty good chunk of cash even over time, so if that’s the percentile that’s falling in the disposable income category the amount in your “necessities/living expenses/security” category logically should be easily 3-4-5X as much

- buying any luxury item as an investment is a bad business practice. ((IMO) excluding beer, cigarettes or other so called necessities to the user)
When time get really tough(for you or the world). Your gonna be hard pressed to find someone who’s got cash to drop on fancy toys or caviar ya know what I mean.
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Re: Buchla System purchase 2020?

Post by Tonefloat01 » Sun May 10, 2020 12:36 pm

Yeah, I could have (and was planning to) purchased the Skylab system to start my Buchla journey but after receiving a lot of good advice I refrained from doing so. While I’m definitely not in the top 1% (or 20% for that matter..) spending 3K on my LEM4 system didn’t jeopardize the rent check so no need to worry there. Next steps for me most likely will be the 250e and a preset manager and that should tide me over for a while me thinks.
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