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Post by SPUDBOY WILSON » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:12 am

Hi5 wrote:fuck no-input.
no-output is the future man.
you are made the very funny yes now. :clap:

I'm new to 99.9999999 % of the conceptual continuity of genres/movements /styles, does no input mean no mixers?
I've heard of no lap tops
no CDs or mini disks
and much earlier Testosterone driven rock who's creedo was just my guitar a cord and my amp, fx's are bull shit for ...etc. etc.

is what I hear and enjoy dependent on the means of production
do I care if real musician or a synclavier performed "G spot tornado"? no.
I liked jazz from hell because I liked what I heard same as John Lee Hooker , Kraftwerk, Neurosis, Miles Davis acoustic and electric. :tinfoil: :cartman:

some body get's and idea and pimps it into some kind of purist shtick so that they can be cooler than thou :tinfoil: ..... HUH? maybe? rules in noise, come on give me a break. quick somebody pass out some john cage for folks to read ...to summize:
SOUND: IF YOU LIKE IT , IT'S MUSIC, IF YOU DON'T IT'S NOISE. j.c.

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Post by SPUDBOY WILSON » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:19 am

knut wrote:I'm glad someone found my thesis on feedback music. I can also recommend the 'feedback' issue of the Resonance magazine, which is available online here:
http://www.l-m-c.org.uk/text/feedback.html
I found this one and I gave it a Book mark cause it's very cool to me.

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Post by felixer » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:29 pm

SPUDBOY WILSON wrote: I liked jazz from hell
+1 :tu:
funny thing is: frank zappa also sounded great with a guitar amp 'with just an on/off switch'. it is called 'talent' :yay:
don't need midi, don't need keys, just want knobs and cables (all together now ;-)

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Post by knut » Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:47 am

knut wrote:I can also recommend the 'feedback' issue of the Resonance magazine, which is available online here:
http://www.l-m-c.org.uk/text/feedback.html
I am afraid the URL mentioned above is dead, a pdf of the magazine is now available here:
http://knut.klingt.org/docs/resonance_9_2_feedback.pdf

cheers Knut

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Post by don h » Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:00 am

knut wrote: I am afraid the URL mentioned above is dead, a pdf of the magazine is now available here:
http://knut.klingt.org/docs/resonance_9_2_feedback.pdf

cheers Knut
Very much appreciated!

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Post by felixer » Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:27 pm

don h wrote:
knut wrote: I am afraid the URL mentioned above is dead, a pdf of the magazine is now available here:
http://knut.klingt.org/docs/resonance_9_2_feedback.pdf

cheers Knut
Very much appreciated!
+1 :tu:
don't need midi, don't need keys, just want knobs and cables (all together now ;-)

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Post by SPUDBOY WILSON » Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:38 pm

knut wrote:I'm glad someone found my thesis on feedback music. I can also recommend the 'feedback' issue of the Resonance magazine, which is available online here:
http://www.l-m-c.org.uk/text/feedback.html

For my online sound installation based on a mix of no-input mixer and no-input fm transmitter sounds, check this:
http://knut.klingt.org/installations.html

cheers Knut
thank you very much for the hot hot tip.
very clear and entertaining, entirely to tasty to be real academic research,
to please the dons add a lot more sand, and let dry.
very well done
cheers :yay:

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Post by SPUDBOY WILSON » Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:55 pm

felixer wrote:
SPUDBOY WILSON wrote: I liked jazz from hell
+1 :tu:
funny thing is: frank zappa also sounded great with a guitar amp 'with just an on/off switch'. it is called 'talent' :yay:
Talent and a lot of intellectual horse power.
he defended school music programs as a means of stopping drug usage and gangs, free speech ,stuck up for larry flint when they were going after him, he did the best anti-speed public service spot in the history of public service announcement . Frank Supported KPFA fm during donation drive with special
bonus shwag i.e. custom T-shirts recordings that you could only get through subscribing to the station. he said some thing to the effect , if you don't like this station fine, it's good for you to get another perspective. ( referring to listening to some thing other than corporate double-speak media.)

and yes I own all of his guitar stuff, shut up and play your guitar et al
I really enjoyed his guitar playing, still do actually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Zappa

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Post by bryan » Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:02 am

knut wrote:
knut wrote:I can also recommend the 'feedback' issue of the Resonance magazine, which is available online here:
http://www.l-m-c.org.uk/text/feedback.html
I am afraid the URL mentioned above is dead, a pdf of the magazine is now available here:
http://knut.klingt.org/docs/resonance_9_2_feedback.pdf

cheers Knut
Knut, thanks for keeping that available and for the research you've put into this area of feedback music-making. It's interesting reading and inspiration.
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Post by felixer » Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:37 pm

SPUDBOY WILSON wrote: and yes I own all of his guitar stuff, shut up and play your guitar et al
I really enjoyed his guitar playing, still do actually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Zappa
+1 :tu: ZAPPA RULES!
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Post by peh » Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:37 am

Chefkirk and hal mcgee have released a great set of no input mixer tones:

http://www.halmcgee.com/nimbus.html

there's a cdr available and a download at



check it out!

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Post by don h » Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:53 am

peh wrote:Chefkirk and hal mcgee have released a great set of no input mixer tones:

http://www.halmcgee.com/nimbus.html

there's a cdr available and a download at



check it out!
This is really wonderful, thanks for pointing it out!
I'm loving these too!
http://halmcgee.com/apartmentmusic7.html

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Post by felixer » Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:09 pm

nice! :tu:
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Post by carlcalm » Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:35 pm

Hi5 wrote:fuck no-input.
no-output is the future man.
I see yr from Chicago, I just moved from there. Reason I bring it up is I have a homie there that rocks "no-output" turntable, believe he has played with Toshi using that set up.

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Post by Mood Organ » Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:37 pm

carlcalm wrote:
Hi5 wrote:fuck no-input.
no-output is the future man.
I see yr from Chicago, I just moved from there. Reason I bring it up is I have a homie there that rocks "no-output" turntable, believe he has played with Toshi using that set up.
What, like a silent performance?

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Post by carlcalm » Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:39 pm

He mic's a turntable that has no output. Suppose that is why I threw the quotes on there. It is surely as much of a conceptual joke as it is a serious approach but it sounds right on. He is big into modular, electronics, DIY... so he may even be on the forum.

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Post by Mood Organ » Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:43 pm

Haha - OK fair enough. I was picturing a guy DJing and no sound coming out. :yay: I guess all turntables have that 'acoustic' output as well as the Line...

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Post by gde » Sat Oct 16, 2010 7:57 pm

carlcalm wrote:He mic's a turntable that has no output. Suppose that is why I threw the quotes on there. It is surely as much of a conceptual joke as it is a serious approach but it sounds right on. He is big into modular, electronics, DIY... so he may even be on the forum.
howdy!

yeh, im here...
i started off improvising with percussion and lots of friction based techniques and though instead of moving around the drum in a circle to create the friction... i could just use a turntable to do that work and then i could toy with the objects a bit more

its been years since ive had a turntable with a needle on it, or else i probably would have incorporated that now and then. sometimes i perform totally acoustic with it (actually i did for the first year or so i was using it) but then started using a mic and volume pedal to help amplify it at certain times (but not all times!) during a performance. also, the techniques/instrument came before the name

heres a recently posted recording of a live set with it
http://soundcloud.com/pro-you/nick-hoff ... in/s-4Vi6W
the other guy, nick hoffman, plays trumpet, sewing machine, and drum machine for this show
LOL

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Post by jonah » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:56 am

Thanks for the link Resonance Magazine it was interesting reading! I'd never heard of it before.

The no-input technique also works great with old samplers. You can get started with just one, but it's pretty fun use multiple cheap rack samplers and patch them back into each other. If they have built in midi controllable effects things can get really interesting.

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Post by pentd » Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:09 am

knut / oliver / all those other folks at klingt.org are mad scientists

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No Input Mixer & Volume Control

Post by cracklehunter » Thu May 24, 2018 5:22 am

Hi,

Any idea how one can keep the volume from the mixer's main output constant while messing with a No Input Mixer Board? I am looking for a technique to capture low volume noise like Lowercase and Onkyokei music.

Thanks

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Post by Mood Organ » Thu May 24, 2018 5:47 am

cracklehunter wrote:Hi,

Any idea how one can keep the volume from the mixer's main output constant while messing with a No Input Mixer Board? I am looking for a technique to capture low volume noise like Lowercase and Onkyokei music.

Thanks
You might try a limiter or compressor.

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Post by cracklehunter » Thu May 24, 2018 6:23 am

Mood Organ wrote:
cracklehunter wrote:Hi,

Any idea how one can keep the volume from the mixer's main output constant while messing with a No Input Mixer Board? I am looking for a technique to capture low volume noise like Lowercase and Onkyokei music.

Thanks
You might try a limiter or compressor.
Okay. Will try that.

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Post by felixer » Thu May 24, 2018 9:33 am

Mood Organ wrote: I was picturing a guy DJing and no sound coming out. :yay:
actually that is a good concept. everybody can listen to their own good music instead of being subjected to the trash most dj's produce.
and i do like the concept of the 'silent disco': everbody wears headphones. i even saw one where they had different channels on different colored 'phones so you'll see people dancing on different tunes at the same time. in a park in the middle of the night and no-one (of the people living there and wanting to sleep) was bothered. great idea!!
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Post by notmiserlouagain » Thu May 24, 2018 2:22 pm

Hey is this thread still about no-input-mixing and feedback loops?

There´s some good reading material on feedback on the electro-music composition subforum...

One thing holds true for all art: the way it is produced influences the outcome, the way it is produced therefore matters. It is not the same if something is produced with a chain/network of audio devices (David Tudor style) or with a modular.

In hindsight I am verry happy to have to sell my Eurorack modular, my inspiration was more and more strangled with all this highpriced consumerism fetish stuff around me /disclaim: my personal view only!
A modular is very good for extremly complex deeply thought out patches, too complex for me. When I´m making electronic noise (I´m active as guitarist/bassist too), my work process is improvised and intuitive, I don´t want to get too much into analyzing and pondering what I´m doing.
A Benjolin or two, a casio sk1, a couple of strange audio boxes and loopers: makes me happy all the time.

Same thing with no-input-mixing: is the mixer a poor oscillator? Yes. But what is it also? An inspirational device that will surprise you and be chaotically unpredictable (and cost not much/is lying around anyway).

Though the power supply situation is a real pita with standalone devices!
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