Korg MS20 vs Moog Prodigy

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Korg MS20 vs Moog Prodigy

Post by noise_not_music » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:51 am

Hey guys, Im looking into purchasing a new synth in the (near) future and was looking for some opinions on which is better between a Korg MS-20,vintage not mini, and a Moog Prodigy.
I make death industrial/power electronic/industrial styled stuff so the new synth would obviously have to be good for that type of stuff. Im open to either option. The only thing leaning me towards the korg is that I have an MS-10 and I know some cool stuff can be achieved by patching those two together

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Post by Reese P. Dubin » Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:16 am

I used to own both so...

Prodigy, incredibly sweet tone, made for actual playing and soloing.

MS20, the standard for all the music you are making, for 30+ years.

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I would go for the ms20 for the versatility/compatibility

Post by bprophet » Sat Aug 20, 2016 3:31 am

I would go for the ms20 for the versatility/compatibility.

Are you hooking up to any modular as well? The hz/v thing can be worked around for industrial/noise, and finding a cheap old paia fatman could give the korgs midi capabilities, if you are into that...

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Post by MindMachine » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:59 pm

No contest. MS-20. Add an EH Mole pedal and it will be more than what you need for those types of sounds.

It has RingMod sounds, Noises, S & H, ext processing, modular growth potential. With all of the modulation sources, patch bay and VCO switched knobs - the MS-20 is a live noise making dream machine. Even the little Momentary switch is an awesome thing, to add shrill trills or Trigger A-Bomb sounds. Or just patch the VCA to stay open forever.

MS-20.
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Post by felixer » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:42 pm

for what you want to do clearly the ms20. i've had the ms10+20 combo since they came out. cut off the keyboards, did some other mods and mounted 'm in the lid of a suitcase with a few lil' extra's (sq, lfo's, filter, borg queen):
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i've owned and sold quite a few things since then, but this is staying. the sound is too unique 8-)
don't need midi, don't need keys, just want knobs and cables (all together now ;-)

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Post by Hans-g » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:01 pm

MS 20 got unique filters for percussion and so on.

Prodigy is just a poorsman Minimoog and a run on the mill (good) synth.


@felixer wow, interesting gear.

You need the MS 50!

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Post by felixer » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:56 am

i had the ms50. and the sq10. sold both ... a bit sorry about the sq10, but then again there are some more sophisticated sequencers around, nowadays. eventually i got the beatstep pro and i'm very happy with it. it's not perfect, mind you, but then again what is?
the ms50 i didn't found that interesting. not too many features/parts on that one ...
i also had the pedal with the built in lfo (can't remember the number/type). that was a nice one but i sold it to a collector as it didn't have any really special features. just handy/compact ... still have the volume/balance pedal as that is a good/sturdy pedal and there aren't that many balance/mix pedals around.

the ms10 and esp 20 still are convincing in the audio department: where it matters. obviously it is a taste thing: for those that like thick/juicy/'phat' it prob isnt that great ... but for the more experimentally minded the ms20 is still a wonderfull box 8-)
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Post by sleepw » Sun Jan 08, 2017 4:29 am

Ms20, semimodular options.

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Post by atlaspark » Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:52 pm

Another vote for MS-20 here. I have the new module version (with PWM, FM, filter choice, etc.) and it's extremely versatile. Also, given your music style, NIN used the MS-20 all over the Hesitation Marks album.

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Post by ReversiblePercival » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:38 am

I used to own a Prodigy and I still have the MS10, MS20, MS50. The Prodigy did have that 'Moog' sound as was well built but limited on flexibility. The MS stuff is a joy, fantastic sounds and very open ended - wires everywhere, marvellous.

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Post by Dr. Sketch-n-Etch » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:32 pm

There's a Moog Prodigy for sale in a local music store here. It seems like a very cheap synth to me. I would go with the MS-20, which is a much higher-quality product with a lot more going on. Plus, the MS-20 has such a sweet sound.
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Post by bentchamber » Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:59 pm

Ms-20 IS where you want to be.

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Post by BeatAboutTheHead » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:14 am

felixer wrote:for what you want to do clearly the ms20. i've had the ms10+20 combo since they came out. cut off the keyboards, did some other mods and mounted 'm in the lid of a suitcase with a few lil' extra's (sq, lfo's, filter, borg queen):
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i've owned and sold quite a few things since then, but this is staying. the sound is too unique 8-)
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Post by BeatAboutTheHead » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:51 am

felixer wrote:for what you want to do clearly the ms20. i've had the ms10+20 combo since they came out. cut off the keyboards, did some other mods and mounted 'm in the lid of a suitcase with a few lil' extra's (sq, lfo's, filter, borg queen):
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i've owned and sold quite a few things since then, but this is staying. the sound is too unique 8-)
Wow, you are amazing!

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Post by HighLordFixer » Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:26 pm

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Owning both of them plus playing/modding many of Prodigys/MS20s over the years... let me put it like this.... the MS20 is one of the goto Synths with my X911 extra OSC... yet if you are looking for something that plays "nice" with your Eurorack then you need finding the Obscure prodigy version that has CV I/O...

otherwise you need modifying the old standard prodigy...
My Prodigy hasn't seen much use recently.... the Opus gets used more for poly.... The MS20 is a goto synth for variety of reasons plus it's good having x911 as expander.... plus have more Paia gear than should be legal... also Yamaha CS wuvs some korg MS hertz interfacing

If you find an old standard Prodigy cheap then the modification is not so insanely hard or anything...

This is all based up what gear you already own.... personally went through all the CV wars with gear long ago... ultimately covering all the bases.... be resourceful use what you have... if it's volts/octaves then go with the modified or rare version prodigy....

you may need doing some minor circuit surgery and drill some holes in the back panel

If you don't have any other Volts/Octaves gear then snatch up an original MS20 & pray you get the first series original Korg35 VCF
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Original Korg MS20>Moog Prodigy
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Post by HighLordFixer » Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:40 pm

Doh this question was posted in "Synth Noise" thread...
Then the obvious answer if include that factor is resoundingly
Original Korg MS20>Moog Prodigy
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Post by Zifor » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:22 am

Another vote for the MS20. However i own the MS20M and i rate it highly compared to the Moog Prodigy. More flexible and definately suits the vibe better for your music. :hail:
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Post by ambientnoise » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:20 pm

Original MS-20 for sure. Went to a Noise/P.E./Industrial fest last year and about many people were using them (And the Mini version). Dirty and harsh, such a violent sounding synth. I have the mini version though, really cute! :razz:

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Post by Andrew Montreal » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:48 am

For noise and weirdness I love the MS20, though I am less connected to it as a melodic instrument... most day that is. But damn, the madness it can create is wild!

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Post by Andrew Montreal » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:49 am

To clarify, I have the MS20M.

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Post by jensenluxvid » Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:10 pm

Another MS 20 vote. Can be crazy just patched into itself, before you even get into pedals. Amazing synth in general.

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Post by HighLordFixer » Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:26 pm

What he said^
these 50x1/4"" female jacks ordered from china last month better get here soon
Eye want getting started one building some MS50esque expander this Spring for new record.
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also side note:since started posting on this thread my original korg35 has recorded hours of Trax plus tends getting turned on almost every day... my Prodigy has been covered up on it's keyboard stand...
that moog doesn't make the sounds eye want/need unless make it modular & even then it can't compete with the MS20...
my Opus sees more action than the Prodigy and it doesn't even have CV/Gate or MIDI:P
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Post by LHOOQtius » Sun May 06, 2018 2:13 am

Korg all the way

My first synth was an MS-10

It did noise/industrial amazingly well

It died in a house fire and I replaced it with an MS-20

I wish I also still had an MS-10, but I got mine for $175 and can’t
bring myself to replace it at the current prices

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Post by mypetkiwi » Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:37 am

felixer wrote:for what you want to do clearly the ms20. i've had the ms10+20 combo since they came out. cut off the keyboards, did some other mods and mounted 'm in the lid of a suitcase with a few lil' extra's (sq, lfo's, filter, borg queen):
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i've owned and sold quite a few things since then, but this is staying. the sound is too unique 8-)
Jesus christ that's badass, that thing must scream for mercy.

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Post by matthewjuran » Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:13 am

For the MS-20 my experience is that it takes awhile to learn, so if you get it but aren’t happy then maybe consider giving it more time. I like the noise, high pass resonance, and low pass envelope to focus on.

After using the LFO on the Slim Phatty I’d prefer the MS-20’s to be faster and slower. I have a Mini where the pulse width becomes inaudible early on the clockwise turn (not sure if that’s normal) and counterclockwise decay seems to jump to a pop where maybe there could have been more range in short decays.

The noise capability of the MS-20 is complex because of the white noise oscillator and two noise outputs (one pre-filtered so it's called pink noise) in the patch section. With the two filters modulated by LFO, envelope, and keyboard in a patchable way you can get pretty far with noise sounds.

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