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I did a thing - Criticism would be appreciated :)

Post by Mikro93 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:28 am

Hi everyone,

I recently dove into the world of noise music. It isn't exactly my strong suit, bu t considering my setup (a bunch of Eurorack modules and pedals), I wanted to give it a go, and I did a thing.

Here is a link to listen to said thing. It is designed as an EP, with 5 pieces.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/zkqew755c5xh3 ... m.mp3?dl=0

Thank you very much!
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Post by FetidEye » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:22 pm

I like it!

from bubbly noise to haunting drones .
the last piece falls out of context a bit.

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Post by Mikro93 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:08 pm

FetidEye wrote:I like it!

from bubbly noise to haunting drones .
the last piece falls out of context a bit.
Thank you very much, kind person :)

The last piece is a bit of a "relief" thing, more of a wink than an actual piece.

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Post by mousegarden » Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:06 am

FetidEye wrote:I like it!

from bubbly noise to haunting drones .
the last piece falls out of context a bit.
I think this attempt to categories things is a step back, like "noise music" Where does the music stop, and where does the noise begin, and where does the noise stop, and where does the music begin, and who is to decide what is noise and what is music? Cage has already addressed this, and if you've been involved in free improvisation you will know that after you have done that you will never hear the world in the same way again, or play in the same way again.
By putting things into boxes you are stopping some people from even opening the box, in their mind they've already come to a conclusion about what's inside, and we all know, that you "can't" categorise some things, and there are still surprises that defy definition.

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Post by Cybananna » Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:59 am

mousegarden wrote:
FetidEye wrote:I like it!

from bubbly noise to haunting drones .
the last piece falls out of context a bit.
I think this attempt to categories things is a step back, like "noise music" Where does the music stop, and where does the noise begin, and where does the noise stop, and where does the music begin, and who is to decide what is noise and what is music? Cage has already addressed this, and if you've been involved in free improvisation you will know that after you have done that you will never hear the world in the same way again, or play in the same way again.
By putting things into boxes you are stopping some people from even opening the box, in their mind they've already come to a conclusion about what's inside, and we all know, that you "can't" categorise some things, and there are still surprises that defy definition.
For years I was an advocate of what you are saying. I would get so frustrated when people would say non melodic or the like was not music. Or saying was musical or not musical etc. at some point I gave up. If the majority says what I do isn’t music or not musical, then fuck music. I have no interest in it. I do think you’re right though.

Sorry OP, I derailed your thread.

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Post by Cybananna » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:01 am

Also, OP, I can’t get to the files from the link so I’ll try from my computer later. I’m interested in hearing.

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Post by MindMachine » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:17 am

^ Ditto. Got a 404.
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Post by mousegarden » Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:19 am

Cybananna wrote:
mousegarden wrote:
FetidEye wrote:I like it!

from bubbly noise to haunting drones .
the last piece falls out of context a bit.
I think this attempt to categories things is a step back, like "noise music" Where does the music stop, and where does the noise begin, and where does the noise stop, and where does the music begin, and who is to decide what is noise and what is music? Cage has already addressed this, and if you've been involved in free improvisation you will know that after you have done that you will never hear the world in the same way again, or play in the same way again.
By putting things into boxes you are stopping some people from even opening the box, in their mind they've already come to a conclusion about what's inside, and we all know, that you "can't" categorise some things, and there are still surprises that defy definition.
For years I was an advocate of what you are saying. I would get so frustrated when people would say non melodic or the like was not music. Or saying was musical or not musical etc. at some point I gave up. If the majority says what I do isn’t music or not musical, then fuck music. I have no interest in it. I do think you’re right though.

Sorry OP, I derailed your thread.
Trouble is I doubt my thoughts about this whole thing sometimes, nature has got noise covered, we are human beings, we are capable of a lot more. A symphony or a Bach organ work, a classic rock or Jazz album, anything traditionally musical is our unique human stamp on our existence, noise isn't, and sometimes I think that when I'm on my death bed breathing my last this is what I'll think, and all of my noise making days were a waste of time and an attemt to take the easy way out and be lazy.
Mind you, I only ever think like this if I'm really depressed, and down.

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Post by FetidEye » Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:51 am

if you are not into experimental music, what are you rambling about here.. in the noise section. ?

All I hear from you here is this. I give the OP a compliment and some useful advice, you try to route this into a noise vs music discussion. I am not really sure why though. there was no question of category involved.
I just call these textures by some definitions of sound.

take it easy. noise is beautiful.

by the way, Mikro93. that second piece "ian02" is brutal! keep on going with this!!

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Post by mousegarden » Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:43 am

FetidEye wrote:if you are not into experimental music, what are you rambling about here.. in the noise section. ?

All I hear from you here is this. I give the OP a compliment and some useful advice, you try to route this into a noise vs music discussion. I am not really sure why though. there was no question of category involved.
I just call these textures by some definitions of sound.

take it easy. noise is beautiful.

by the way, Mikro93. that second piece "ian02" is brutal! keep on going with this!!
I was giving you both sides of my coin, the reason why I stopped playing on the noise/free-improv circuit was because of inverted snobbery, I love "sound" all sound can be music, as we know, but the use of the word noise to describe any "organised sound" I find a bit insulting TBQH, but not as bad as when certain people say "tunes" or "tune" when referring to any type of music, it sort of devalues music to describe it like that.

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Post by FetidEye » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:37 pm

well, like I said, I use the word noise as a sound identifier. not as a category
I don't really like categories. They can be useful if you are searching for music. but not for setting boundaries.
Although, if you need a word to specify the sounds , noise is a good word (in my opinion)

If you are offended by the word, maybe that is your thing.

And to keep on topic. what do you think of the tracks of Mikro93?

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Post by mousegarden » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:54 pm

FetidEye wrote:well, like I said, I use the word noise as a sound identifier. not as a category
I don't really like categories. They can be useful if you are searching for music. but not for setting boundaries.
Although, if you need a word to specify the sounds , noise is a good word (in my opinion)

If you are offended by the word, maybe that is your thing.

And to keep on topic. what do you think of the tracks of Mikro93?
Mikro93...?

I like it, I also like Work Death, the balance between pure "noise" and what I would call traditional musical elements is more to my liking regarding Work Death, but I like the almost sublimnimal elements in Mikro's stuff.

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Post by Mikro93 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:04 am

Hi everyone,

Apologies for the dead link. Here is the new one, for the exact same soundfile:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zkqew755c5xh3 ... m.mp3?dl=0

My two cents on the subject: I am not at all used to producing noise music, and I certainly don't find it being the easy way out. I spend quite some time training my ear and mind to listen to HNW and other experimental music, and to produce some. In an era where so many things have been done musically, and with my background of jazz, orchestral and electronic pop music, noise music is a new approach to sound - new to me, this is probably not very different to Schaeffer et al.'s musique concrète.

Please keep these comments going, I find them most interesting, and no worries for the derailing. And of course, criticism on the pieces is appreciated :)

And @FetidEye: thank you for the kind words regarding the second piece :)

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Post by bibleblack » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:36 am

Just thought I would join in with a few thoughts:

Regarding the music its good but for me could be harder (the first post), some more sounds in the higher end I think you have scope to really tear someones ears off. I just kind of felt it needs to be pushed further out to the extremes.

The second way more on the money good HNW!

As to what should or shouldn't be regarded as music being a mute debate I think is a little naive. Yes it gets boring answering the same arguments over and over again (I come from a art background and so have the same tedious debates with "can anything be art?"). If you want to engage with the cultural hegemony then you need to be able to give context to your work, as tedious and boring as that might be. If you want to opt out then great make what you want and call it ice-cream if you like but if you want to perform and relate to other people then they will always need a context and the genre or category is a crucial stepping off point for most audiences. I suppose my point is the genre or category isn't about you its about the audience. For me the audience defines something as music, you alone in your room creating masterpieces might be music but whats the point if no one else listens to it.

"If an amp feeds back and there no one there to hear it, is it music?"

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Post by mousegarden » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:12 am

bibleblack wrote:"If an amp feeds back and there no one there to hear it, is it music?"
Do things exist when we aern't looking at them? Does a sound exist if someone isn't listening to it? The universe is interpreted by our personal senses, ad by our senses alone, they are all that matter in terms of creating anything.

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Post by corpusjonsey » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:29 am

I like the last two of the 5 best. Less fatiguing.

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Post by Mikro93 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:52 am

@bibleblack (nice name):
Thank you very much for the feedback! (pun intended)
I agree, the second piece is more of what is expected in a HNW context :)
And I very much agree with the importance of "giving context to your work". I actually find the process stimulating and enjoyable, it helps to define the frame of the musical creation of a project, in a bigger scheme of things. Conforting, almost.

@mousegarden I believe some music theorists include the necessity of an audience, in the broad sense, to define what is a musical piece and what is not. However, apart from what happens in the paradigm of quantum mechanics, physical phenomena, e.g. a sound, do exist even without anyone measuring/hearing it. I understand your point though, with the fact that, in terms of creating anything, "The universe is interpreted by our personal senses", and emotions and stuff :)

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I just created a YouTube channel to upload these experiments. The first piece is new to this thread, and is more drony/less HNW. Give it a listen, and I hope you'll enjoy :)

[video][/video]

It is very likely that the second piece I'll upload will be the second piece of this thread, thanks to your valuable contributions, thanks again!

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Post by MindMachine » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:21 pm

^ I like the last five minutes. A lot. The build up was just a lot of the same and if I was a casual listener would have lost interest by then. But when the different tones broke out it was nice.

Genres. What a concept. I guess we still need to have some sort of categorization if we just speak of music instead of actually listening to it.
mousegarden wrote:Do things exist when we aern't looking at them? Does a sound exist if someone isn't listening to it? The universe is interpreted by our personal senses, ad by our senses alone, they are all that matter in terms of creating anything.
That gave me the D word (I can't spell diarrhea ).
bibleblack wrote:being a mute debate
That would be a quiet evening.
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Post by mousegarden » Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:31 am

MindMachine wrote:^ I like the last five minutes. A lot. The build up was just a lot of the same and if I was a casual listener would have lost interest by then. But when the different tones broke out it was nice.

Genres. What a concept. I guess we still need to have some sort of categorization if we just speak of music instead of actually listening to it.
mousegarden wrote:Do things exist when we aern't looking at them? Does a sound exist if someone isn't listening to it? The universe is interpreted by our personal senses, ad by our senses alone, they are all that matter in terms of creating anything.
That gave me the D word (I can't spell diarrhea ).
bibleblack wrote:being a mute debate
That would be a quiet evening.
Yes, it was a "D word" post, but does it exist if you don't read it.....

:hihi:

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Post by kathinka. » Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:34 pm

the last 2:30 are nice. but it could more variable, with a function generator or LFO phase shifting or VCF modulation or ring modulator. ;)

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