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Post by ba1 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:13 pm

This is a stupid question I'm sure, but can this produce sound without a gate signal inserted?

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Post by coyoteous » Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:58 pm

At a glance, I'd guess not from the main out (didn't spot a VCF out, either)... unless the gate in is normalized high?

I'm interested in this, though... y'all buy some, so I can maybe pick up one secondhand later (heh).
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Post by bwhittington » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:46 pm

ba1 wrote:This is a stupid question I'm sure, but can this produce sound without a gate signal inserted?
I’d bet the LFO out can be used to trigger the gate, if it is what you mean. Or there are several raw oscillator outs if you mean any sound.

It’d be neat if a module like this had jumpers for a user-assignable jack to give everyone that one extra thing they’d really like to have in a voice module that no one would ever agree on.

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Post by Dave Peck » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:56 pm

bwhittington wrote:
It’d be neat if a module like this had jumpers for a user-assignable jack to give everyone that one extra thing they’d really like to have in a voice module that no one would ever agree on.
That is brilliant! :cloud:

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Post by ba1 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:09 pm

I guess I'd want an out that is post filter and doesn't require a gate signal to open the VCA.

I wonder what the intended use for the VCO1 to VCA pot is. Aren't both VCAs already routed to the VCA audio in via the mixer?

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Post by ba1 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:23 pm

I'm on the list for one regardless.

Good to know that Coyoteous is positioned for table scraps, just in case... :tu:

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Post by josaka » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:36 pm

ba1 wrote:I guess I'd want an out that is post filter and doesn't require a gate signal to open the VCA.

I wonder what the intended use for the VCO1 to VCA pot is. Aren't both VCAs already routed to the VCA audio in via the mixer?
FM..? drive..?

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Post by Dave Peck » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:20 pm

josaka wrote:
ba1 wrote:I guess I'd want an out that is post filter and doesn't require a gate signal to open the VCA.

I wonder what the intended use for the VCO1 to VCA pot is. Aren't both VCAs already routed to the VCA audio in via the mixer?
FM..? drive..?
From the manual:

"This control adjusts the level of VCO1's triangle wave output that is sent direct to the VCA's audio input. This signal bypasses both the mixer and the filter sections of the ASV and as such is not affected by the settings of either. The output of this control is added to the output of the filter. It therefore offers a way of reinforcing the fundamental frequency of VCO1 even if the filter has filtered out that part of the signal. It is a very powerful feature and not often seen on fixed architecture synthesisers."

Seems a bit similar to a concept found in the Yamaha CS-80 voice architecture, in which a sine wave from the osc can be routed to bypass the filters and can be fed directly into the VCAs. Useful for when the filters are acting as HPF or BPF or lopsided Notch filters and are removing some of the fundamental. This kind of trick adds the 'oomph' back into the sound.

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Post by Synthbuilder » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:21 am

ba1 wrote:This is a stupid question I'm sure, but can this produce sound without a gate signal inserted?
If no jack plug is inserted into the gate socket then both envelopes are held in their sustain phase, as if they are permanently gated on. So, in this specific case, the final VCA's output level is controlled by the sustain pot of ENV 2. Turn it up and it'll drone on forever without a gate input.

Here's Ben's render of the MU version:

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Post by Thalassa » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:25 am

It looks great! : :tu: :tu:

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Post by Synthbuilder » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:32 am

Dave Peck wrote:Seems a bit similar to a concept found in the Yamaha CS-80 voice architecture, in which a sine wave from the osc can be routed to bypass the filters and can be fed directly into the VCAs.
This. I got the idea from the CS-30 - several of which had come through my repair shop back in the day. So I started using a similar approach, but with a triangle wave, on the infamous 'Oakley modded' SH-101s I did in the late 90s and early 00s. It's also the main reason I put two input levels on my VCA module.

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Post by Flareless » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:40 am

Beautiful panel! :yay:
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Post by coyoteous » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:55 pm

ba1 wrote:I'm on the list for one regardless.

Good to know that Coyoteous is positioned for table scraps, just in case... :tu:
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His master's voice (module)... looks like I was right about the gate normalizing, too!

Added: how much for built MU?

Oh, someone telegraph krisp1 that the once-a-decade website update is coming up:

http://www.krisp1.com
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Post by Dave Peck » Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:53 pm

coyoteous wrote:
Oh, someone telegraph krisp1 that the once-a-decade website update is coming up:

http://www.krisp1.com
Yikes! Looks like a screenshot from the silicon valley computer museum.

I've always gone here, which looks much better:

http://www.krisp1.com/store/

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Post by ba1 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:20 pm

Synthbuilder wrote:
ba1 wrote:This is a stupid question I'm sure, but can this produce sound without a gate signal inserted?
If no jack plug is inserted into the gate socket then both envelopes are held in their sustain phase, as if they are permanently gated on. So, in this specific case, the final VCA's output level is controlled by the sustain pot of ENV 2. Turn it up and it'll drone on forever without a gate input.

Here's Ben's render of the MU version:

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Great news! And that loos so good!!! :yay: I can't wait to get one!

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Post by krisp14u » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:07 am

coyoteous wrote:
Added: how much for built MU?
Depending on the price of the panels when they come in its looking 550 GBP + shipping to start off with

coyoteous wrote: Oh, someone telegraph krisp1 that the once-a-decade website update is coming up:

http://www.krisp1.com
I'm sure it used to auto link from there to the store will look into it
Cheers :guinness:

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Post by coyoteous » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:51 pm

Dave Peck wrote:Yikes! Looks like a screenshot from the silicon valley computer museum.

I've always gone here, which looks much better:

http://www.krisp1.com/store/
lol... yeah, the store link is the one I have bookmarked.

I think I just typed it in krisp1.com this time.

Made me think of geocities, AOL, etc.
krisp14u wrote:Depending on the price of the panels when they come in its looking 550 GBP + shipping to start off with

I'm sure it used to auto link from there to the store will look into it
Nice, I'll consider a new one... looks like winner, regardless!

Now that I think of it, I think I'd seen a different landing page there.

Added: my "website," though not as important, hasn't been updated in a lot longer.
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Post by Pav » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:04 pm



simple arppegiation across a few octaves - no extra bells and whistles.
just a test , not a production. quite loud.
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Post by ba1 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:59 am

Pav wrote:

simple arppegiation across a few octaves - no extra bells and whistles.
just a test , not a production. quite loud.
Sounds great!

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Post by ba1 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:02 pm

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Post by Purveyor2 » Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:17 pm

Just finished my build and it sounds terrific. Seriously thinking about building a second one.

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Post by Synthbuilder » Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:54 am

Purveyor2 wrote:Just finished my build and it sounds terrific. Seriously thinking about building a second one.
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Post by synthetek » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:35 am

Is there a MU panel available?

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Post by Synthbuilder » Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:18 am

synthetek wrote:Is there a MU panel available?
Sadly not. One has been ordered but has not yet arrived. :waah:

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Post by oozitron » Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:38 pm

Droning along with my two ASVs. This is pre-calibration so ignore the out-of-tune moments!

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