I like my knobs...

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I prefer my MU modules to be

Single width even if it means all the controls are small - Space means everything to me
3
7%
Single width only if most of the controls are large - I prefer a little wiggle room
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70%
It doesn't matter to me - a knob is a knob so I'll wiggle it
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23%
 
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Re: I like my knobs...

Post by hsosdrum » Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:19 am

dslocum wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:29 am
I know the subject has come up before, but as we are on a "module width" bent and knob size is a topic - how do you feel about the sliders we are using? :sstorm:
Sliders on a 5U panel are a deal-breaker for me — period. Even on an EG, where the slider positions create the CV 'shape', I hate 'em — they're too small and fiddly, and avoiding small and fiddly was one of the big reasons I went with 5U and not Euro. The other big reason I went with 5U was that I fell madly in love with the look of Moog modulars the first time I ever played one back in 1971; part of that love was those big ol' knobs (and them big 1/4" jacks). On my synthesizer I want to see a rotary knob for every single variable control, even if it means avoiding modules that work well and are highly regarded (like the SSL envelope generators).

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Re: I like my knobs...

Post by Thorsday » Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:02 am

I dislike sliders, too.

Even though I own ARP Odyssey MkI... In spite of its slider pots!

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Re: I like my knobs...

Post by josaka » Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:49 am

yep odyssey... arp 2600..Octave Cat.. roland sys 100.. roland sh 5.. roland sh-7 .. EML model 500 ..roland controllers for MKS series .. etc etc.

small and fiddly indeed.

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Re: I like my knobs...

Post by gregae » Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:27 pm

Thorsday wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:02 am
I dislike sliders, too.
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Thorsday wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:02 am
Even though I own ARP Odyssey MkI... In spite of its slider pots!
I thought the main reason why ARP used sliders back in the day was to avoid looking like Moog (seriously).

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Re: I like my knobs...

Post by Flareless » Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:25 pm

While sliders aren't a deal-breaker for me I personally prefer potentiometers for control.

One module I plan on adding, the Double Deka VCO, has sliders which I don't really mind.
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Re: I like my knobs...

Post by ranix » Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:46 pm

I like the sliders on the SSL Steiner filter

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Re: I like my knobs...

Post by josaka » Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:18 pm

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Re: I like my knobs...

Post by synthetic » Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:06 pm

Going from MOTM to Euro helped me be less precious about the look of modules. But I like old-school spaced out modules, if I have the room.

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Re: I like my knobs...

Post by Stereotactixxx » Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:05 pm

If I want small knobs with little space between them, I buy euro.

But I seldom buy euro.

I like the ergonomics of proper 5U, including full sized knobs.

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Re: I like my knobs...

Post by ws9848 » Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:58 pm

I don’t own any 5U yet so it’s hard to know until I have tried anything out but I don’t have a problem with sliders or randomly placed knobs. I do like that everything is black with matching knobs though.

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Re: I like my knobs...

Post by daveholiday » Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:13 pm

hsosdrum wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:19 am
dslocum wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:29 am
I know the subject has come up before, but as we are on a "module width" bent and knob size is a topic - how do you feel about the sliders we are using? :sstorm:
Sliders on a 5U panel are a deal-breaker for me — period. Even on an EG, where the slider positions create the CV 'shape', I hate 'em — they're too small and fiddly, and avoiding small and fiddly was one of the big reasons I went with 5U and not Euro. The other big reason I went with 5U was that I fell madly in love with the look of Moog modulars the first time I ever played one back in 1971; part of that love was those big ol' knobs (and them big 1/4" jacks). On my synthesizer I want to see a rotary knob for every single variable control, even if it means avoiding modules that work well and are highly regarded (like the SSL envelope generators).
I think we all need to chip in a get "ole hsosdrum" a module that works well and is highly regarded....would you put a "free" module with sliders in your system? :poke:

Better yet....would you not use a Roland System 700 because of its obscene use of sliders!!

Much love hsosdrum! you know I can't resist the urge to poke!

Anayway, got to run, I've got a guy on the other line about some roosters!!
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Re: I like my knobs...

Post by Bitnik » Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:28 pm

trentpmcd wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:57 pm
With the danger of sounding like a terrible parody of a rap song (Synthi's got front?), I like big knobs and I won't deny...
I appreciate this. Big knobs are great, no ifs no butts.

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Re: I like my knobs...

Post by StillNotWorking » Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:29 pm

Comparing knob size to faders — a rotary pot with 6 mm knurled shaft would have a travel path of only 15.7mm.
For an equivalent resolution to a 100 mm fader you need a knob size of 38.2mm.
Some more examples here http://snw.lonningdal.no/knobsize.php

For me faders are best for quick overview and quick adjustments. For precise adjustment a big rotary knob me prefer thank you :party:
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Re: I like my knobs...

Post by hsosdrum » Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:28 pm

daveholiday wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:13 pm
I think we all need to chip in a get "ole hsosdrum" a module that works well and is highly regarded....would you put a "free" module with sliders in your system? :poke:
I accept all gifts! :love:
daveholiday wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:13 pm
Better yet....would you not use a Roland System 700 because of its obscene use of sliders!!
Use it? Sure. Buy it? No way.
daveholiday wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:13 pm
Much love hsosdrum! you know I can't resist the urge to poke!

Anayway, got to run, I've got a guy on the other line about some roosters!!
:chicken: :chicken: :chicken:

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Re: I like my knobs...

Post by KSS » Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:45 am

StillNotWorking wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:29 pm
Comparing knob size to faders — a rotary pot with 6 mm knurled shaft would have a travel path of only 15.7mm.
For an equivalent resolution to a 100 mm fader you need a knob size of 38.2mm.
Some more examples here http://snw.lonningdal.no/knobsize.php

For me faders are best for quick overview and quick adjustments. For precise adjustment a big rotary knob me prefer thank you :party:
Nice page at the link! I added two comments there. One I'll repeat here is that the 6mm potshaft type knob may be even less equivalent 'linear' travel than you show here because many are not the once standard 300 degrees rotation. Some are as little as 240 degrees, and many are 270degrees.

This is also becoming something to look closely at with regular pots too as Chinese manufacturers continue to make subtle -and unannounced- changes to reduce costs. Had to send back a whole 'lot' of pots beccause the datssheet they were built to was not the same as the prior one agreed to. 300 degrees became 240! Same part number, a re-order of prior purchased pots.

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Re: I like my knobs...

Post by StillNotWorking » Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:03 am

Thanks KSS. And thank you for the head-up with regards to changing specifications.

From personal experience I've found Tayda electronics use fake datasheets for many of their product pages. Often not related to the specific product at all other than similar function.
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Re: I like my knobs...

Post by josaka » Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:10 am

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Better yet....would you not use a Roland System 700 because of its obscene use of sliders!!
system 700 .. house prices these days!!
system 100M doable.. system 100 sort of doable...
cat.. Arp oddy..2600 all more affordable..
even moreso if we behringer it..
slider kingdom.. :)
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