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Post by Thaknar » Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:47 am

Dunno if anybody is interested, but i just found out that Thomann is selling the Marienberg Modular stuff

http://www.thomann.de/de/marienberg_devices.html

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Post by sonicwarrior » Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:16 am

Unfortunately the screw holes and front panel width differ from the Dotcom standard, here is a picture posted @sequencer.de with the resulting gap:

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Source: http://www.sequencer.de/synthesizer/vie ... 45#p920045

So beware if you have the 19" rails. This seems to only work in a wooden cabinet or with Marienberg cabinets.
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Post by Thaknar » Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:20 am

let's make look like MU-Format but totally change everything.. brilliant idea!!!!.....

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Post by Christopher Winkels » Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:31 am

Thaknar wrote:let's make look like MU-Format but totally change everything.. brilliant idea!!!!.....
In before the Picard. That ranks up there with submarine screen doors in the bad idea box.

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Post by island » Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:10 am

Stupid, very stupid. That does not make absolutely no sense :picard:
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Post by jmcecil » Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:24 pm

island wrote:That does not make absolutely no sense :picard:
So, you think it makes some sense? :omg:
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Post by Morley » Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:35 pm

They have been designing systems for a long time and I think they started before there was a standard to be fair to them. Hardly their fault that after they started, there was a standard. Of course, they could modify to fit it now however.

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Post by JohnLRice » Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:35 pm

jmcecil wrote:
island wrote:That does not make absolutely no sense :picard:
So, you think it makes some sense? :omg:
:roll: Go easy on our European friend, he isn't a native speaker of English! 8_) :hug:

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Post by jmcecil » Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:37 pm

JohnLRice wrote:
jmcecil wrote:
island wrote:That does not make absolutely no sense :picard:
So, you think it makes some sense? :omg:
:roll: Go easy on our European friend, he isn't a native speaker of English! 8_) :hug:
did I not have enough smilies? :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: I was just goofin

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Post by JohnLRice » Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:49 pm

jmcecil wrote:
JohnLRice wrote:
jmcecil wrote:
island wrote:That does not make absolutely no sense :picard:
So, you think it makes some sense? :omg:
:roll: Go easy on our European friend, he isn't a native speaker of English! 8_) :hug:
did I not have enough smilies? :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: I was just goofin

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Post by robotmakers » Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:54 pm

Morley wrote:They have been designing systems for a long time and I think they started before there was a standard to be fair to them. Hardly their fault that after they started, there was a standard. Of course, they could modify to fit it now however.
No - the MU/dotcom standard is mechanically identical to the original Moog modules, which date from 1965. No two ways about it - the choice of dimensions for these Marienberg modules is a spectacular blunder.

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Post by Shy » Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:00 pm

Is it really a "blunder", though? Maybe they never intended there to be third party modules at all? How do we know if they expected other people to follow their specifications or not? Any info?

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Post by island » Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:10 pm

JohnLRice wrote:
jmcecil wrote:
JohnLRice wrote:
jmcecil wrote:
island wrote:That does not make absolutely no sense :picard:
So, you think it makes some sense? :omg:
:roll: Go easy on our European friend, he isn't a native speaker of English! 8_) :hug:
did I not have enough smilies? :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: I was just goofin

here's to all euro's with proper beer :guinness:
I figured you were, I just wanted to make sure Island knew it tooz! :tu:
:doh: Ok, ok one "no" too much, bavarian language errors :mrgreen:
But still, as you have fun :lol:
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Post by Morley » Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:38 pm

robotmakers wrote: No - the MU/dotcom standard is mechanically identical to the original Moog modules, which date from 1965. No two ways about it - the choice of dimensions for these Marienberg modules is a spectacular blunder.

Cheers,
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Err... No back from what I have heard.
At the time they started, Moog 5U didn't really exist from anyone as a "standard". Moog modules existed but this was not a standard, just the size Moog used to build their modules (much like Polyfusion, EMU, Serge, Buchla and ARP had their own) and as they weren't building them anymore, pretty hard to call it a standard.

Blunder? Not really, just doing what they have always done and now by default not conforming.

Kind of like mixing your tracks digitally to 48k before CD existed and then being told you made a blunder because 44.1 is the standard for CD.

But, to still release them without conforming is perhaps silly.

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Post by robotmakers » Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:11 pm

lucid wrote:Here is what Andreas wrote me as response to my question about future thought of unifying it with dotcom style width:
Hi Milan,

the height of the modules is exact 5 HU but the width is exact of Moog-norm.

As we start with this system a few years ago, we orientate on Moog-Systems because the synthesizers.com were at this time not so “famous”.

In future we will think about both norms, but that needs some time because we have to change the construction of the front panels and to produce a complete new series.
Clearly, a blunder was made, as the manufacturers attempted (and failed) to match Moog modules, believing that those modules were somehow different from synthesizers.com. Of course, this is not the case. I have both and they are mechanically interchangeable. Seems odd that in all those years they never bothered to check.

The timeframe argument is hard to believe. Synthesizers.com has been around since 2000. Even Moon modular and STG have been making MU modules for 5 years. SSL for almost 3 years.

A shame, as Marienberg seem to have a couple of unique ideas.

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Post by Dave Peck » Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:18 pm

Yes, assuming they did not make an odd business decision a number of years ago to buy several year's worth of front panels for every module in their product line, why haven't they corrected the width of their front panels long ago? They must have known for a long time now that the width of their modules does not match the format they say they were intending to match, so they could correct the width any time they buy / make new front panels.

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Post by lvoemachine » Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:13 pm

as if we've never seen someone make a 5u format system JUST different from the moog format. It always fares well in the end... I don't understand people wanting to make a different PHYSICAL format. I mean, make features different, use different colors, knobs etc, but making thing incompatible with existing formats is actually very annoying. I don't want to use plain wooden rails in my whole system and worry if modules i buy will fit in the same rack. I mean euro has some standards, buchla has standards and moog has standards. The microformats that shrug those standards are just alienating potential users and giving the community at large the finger. You're just telling people, my way or the highway.

I mean, how is 1/16" skinnier better? or having screws in different places than normal making your design superior?

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Post by Shy » Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:58 pm

I could understand how that would be annoying if they had some module/s that did something significantly different or better than available MU format modules, but is that the case? If it's not, and they never showed interest in having other people/manufacturers make their own modules in their format, then it doesn't really matter.

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Post by jmcecil » Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:44 am

island wrote:
JohnLRice wrote:
jmcecil wrote:
JohnLRice wrote:
jmcecil wrote:
island wrote:That does not make absolutely no sense :picard:
So, you think it makes some sense? :omg:
:roll: Go easy on our European friend, he isn't a native speaker of English! 8_) :hug:
did I not have enough smilies? :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: I was just goofin

here's to all euro's with proper beer :guinness:
I figured you were, I just wanted to make sure Island knew it tooz! :tu:
:doh: Ok, ok one "no" too much, bavarian language errors :mrgreen:
But still, as you have fun :lol:
lol, this falls in the "two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do" category.
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Post by jmcecil » Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:49 am

On topic .... One of my biggest headaches as a really crappy DIY guy is the power. I probably still treat electricity more like witch doctor magic voodoo too much, but when I see modules that are odd like this I lose all interest. It's hard enough to get the compatible stuff to work.
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Post by JohnLRice » Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:17 pm

Hey, check this out! :goo: Just saw this video listed on MatrixSynth:

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Post by Leverkusen » Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:06 pm

Nice Sequence! Reminds me a bit of the Oxygene "live in your living room" movie I watched on youtube last night.

It seems as the philosophy of building completely 'clean' sounding error-free modules realy did not lead to boring sounding modules as the manufacturers planed.

Yet it would have been nice to know what is involved in the patch to understand what is happening and sounding. Anyway it raises hopes for more delightfull sounds...

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Post by JohnLRice » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:13 pm

Here is a good 28 page PDF of Marienberg info and gear porn pics! :hyper:
http://www.synthesizer-magazin.de/filea ... nglish.pdf

There is a German version too:
http://www.synthesizer-magazin.de/filea ... System.pdf

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Post by Leverkusen » Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:26 pm

JohnLRice wrote:Here is a good 28 page PDF of Marienberg info and gear porn pics! :hyper:
http://www.synthesizer-magazin.de/filea ... nglish.pdf

There is a German version too:
http://www.synthesizer-magazin.de/filea ... System.pdf
Yes, that's nice! The german version is basically a collection of articles/module tests from the synthesizer magazine.

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