EDV-Technik-TS MUC-410 MIDI-->CV Converter

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EDV-Technik-TS MUC-410 MIDI-->CV Converter

Post by The Hamburglar » Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:56 pm

http://www.edv-technik-ts.de/html/midi_ ... _muc_.html

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Anyone else using this guy? I don't believe I've ever read anything about it here and it's really awesome. It offers 8 cv and 8 gate outputs with extensive amounts of customization: polyphony on only certain outs, clock division, legato vs. retrigger, velocity, poly aftertouch, every CC controller, etc. I recommend just reading the website via Google Translate in Chrome (a real game-changer btw) to really understand the amount of things it can do. The product itself is in English and generally very intuitive.

Also, the guy running the company, Thomas, has been very friendly and helpful from purchase through to specific questions about how to do certain things.

On a more personal note, I am very pleased with my current midi-based setup with the MUC and my ASR-10 as sequencer (and sampler of course.) Here's a clip I recorded live with the modular sequenced by and running into the ASR-10:

http://soundcloud.com/anonymousnoises/s ... -and-cheer

Just as an example setup, here's what I'm using the MUC-400 voltage outputs for in this track:
1. A 1v/oct CV for a basic pitch sequence for the bass
2. A separate 1v/oct CV to transpose that sequence for a bass progression
3. A 1v/oct CV for the filter frequency on the bass (really fun / interesting to play the cutoff like a melodic line!)
4 & 5. The two 1v/oct CV outputs linked together for polyphony for the rhythmic 'chords'
6. A 1v/oct CV to the Tap Tempo LFO Level input (this solves the whole 'always on' issue for me)

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Post by CF3 » Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:14 am

Thanks for posting. Had never seen that one before. I'm on the hunt for a new midi to cv unit. How much was it in USD?

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Post by The Hamburglar » Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:19 am

The 410 was 276 euros but they list the price differences for the various models on the website.

But shipping was 35 euros so 35 plus 276 euros equals roughly 400 dollars shipped.

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Post by CF3 » Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:27 am

Pretty sweet price considering a used Encore Expressiont is at least that. I like the form factor better than a rackmount too. Definitely worth looking into. Thanks for sharing.

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Post by rockthomas » Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:44 am

That is great. I like seeing clock division right in it.

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Post by doctorvague » Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:21 am

I'm bumping this old thread to see if these are still being sold and any other info. The web site is not very informative about purchasing or maybe I haven't found the right area there.

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Post by sonicwarrior » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:18 pm

doctorvague wrote:The web site is not very informative about purchasing or maybe I haven't found the right area there.
The English page is different, the German one is much more detailed and lists a new firmware with the date 02/06/2014 so it would be surprising if they wouldn't sell any more units:
http://www.edv-technik-ts.de/

For prices also better check the German version:
http://www.edv-technik-ts.de/html/preisliste.html
(And subtract the 19% sales tax if you are not in the EU or ask for a price [including shipping]: edv-technik-ts@gmx.de)

„Sofort“ means it can be shipped at once aka it is in stock.
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Post by doctorvague » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:22 pm

sonicwarrior wrote:
doctorvague wrote:The web site is not very informative about purchasing or maybe I haven't found the right area there.
The English page is different, the German one is much more detailed and lists a new firmware with the date 02/06/2014 so it would be surprising if they wouldn't sell any more units:
http://www.edv-technik-ts.de/

For prices also better check the German version:
http://www.edv-technik-ts.de/html/preisliste.html
(And subtract the 19% sales tax if you are not in the EU or ask for a price [includding shipping]: edv-technik-ts@gmx.de)

„Sofort“ means it can be shipped at once aka it is in stock.
Thanks sonicwarrior!

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Post by jmcecil » Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:57 pm

I got 2 holy crap moments out of this ...

The features .. HOLY CRAP
The Price ... HOLY F'N CRAP
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Post by Evan S » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:05 am

Hi Hamburgerler! I have the Eurorack version of this unit. It's great! Wondering if you have some insight on something I am running up against (I'm a noob)....

Sending MIDI clock to the MUC from Ableton, using the sync function (clock divider) on chl 1 to attempt to sync some synth peramaters to Abletons tempo. I was able to get it to work but hand to set division to 24 in order to get bpm to match.

Is this the Normal expected behavior?

I do not know much about MIDI time. I expected the Ableton MIDI [tempo] output to be 1:1 but it's much much faster.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!

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Post by Sugarfree » Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:53 am

I got a kit version and will be making a 16-output MU module.
http://www.edv-technik-ts.de/html/muc-810-kit.html

here's a preliminary draft of the panel:
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Post by julian » Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:18 pm

I have cut a number of these buchla style panels for the device now -

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There's a thread in the diy or buchla sections somewhere.
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Post by julian » Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:18 pm

ps. i have the buchla format panels in my 'shop' : )
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Post by josaka » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:53 pm

this is great.. almost exactly what I was after .. cheers :)

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Post by Evan S » Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:28 pm

I have been digging in a bit to try understanding the relationship between the DAW tempo (being sent over MIDI clock) and the MUC-400 SYNC FUNCTION - Specifically why it did not result in pulses at the rate I expected, they were much much faster.

I had to divide the incoming clock [to the MUC-400] by 24 to get what I thought was the BPM of the DAW, which worked but seemed like I was doing something 'wrong' -- I just found this in Wikipedia:

"....Unlike MIDI timecode, the MIDI beat clock is tempo-dependent. Clock events are sent at a rate of 24 ppqn (pulses per quarter note)"

SO it seems in order to get a pulse at teh DAW's BPM you actually do need to divide it by 24.

Can anyone confirm this is indeed the most direct way to convert the MIDI clock to BPM pulses on the MUC or if there is another way?

Thanks!

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Post by cornutt » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:56 pm

That's correct. MIDI Clock sends 24 pulses per quarter note.
Sequence 15 -- sequence15.blogspot.com

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Post by Evan S » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:51 pm

Thank you cornutt!

So the standard procedure would be to bring a MIDI clock into the synth, divide it by 24 then use another clock divider to further divide it if needed?

I guess a lot of outboard gear does the /24 division automatically...

The MUC-400 is am intricate unit so i guess it is trying to give maximum flexibility just having a hard time understanding the use for a pure 24 pulse signal, but I imagine there is.

Thanks!

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Post by Sugarfree » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:43 am

Clocking a modular with a quarter-note clock can be quite limiting. What if you want a 16th-note pulsation or triplets?
Your clock should be the shortest value you want to use, then use a clock divider to get slower values.

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Post by Evan S » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:05 am

Thank you Sugarfree!

Very clear now!

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Post by julian » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:36 am

Here is the link for anto32's build -


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There are plenty of photos like this on the thread for interest -

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I know that he is doing some builds (in the 4u format) for other people also.
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Re: EDV-Technik-TS MUC-410 MIDI-->CV Converter

Post by CliffordMilk » Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:37 am

Can the MUC 410 deal with data received on multiple MIDI channels? I’m looking for something to control two voices.

Edit - I have it now and it does all that. Very happy.

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Re: EDV-Technik-TS MUC-410 MIDI-->CV Converter

Post by megaohm » Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:17 pm

I'm ordering pcbs I designed for this MIDI MUC device to build in MU format. Buy a kit from ebay or elsewhere and you can use the pcbs (two of them) to build in MU. Panel pcb so wiring is fairly minimal. Am hoping to sell five or six pcb sets from my small run of ten. This is for a custom order so I'm trying to sell off the excess pcbs. Won't have them for a couple weeks still. Will post more info and pics of the design later tonight.
PM me or email me (preferred) if interested. No commitments. Just seeing if there is interest.
Thanks,
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I'm also willing to build completed modules so if interested in that let me know.
www.MegaOhmAudio.com

Will work for pistachios

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