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Post by BugBrand » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:38 am

Had a look again last night.

Current thinking is 5 x 5.

Balanced in with gain control, switch for invert/mute, peak LED.
5x5 matrix
Channel summing with gain control, mute switch, peak LED and impedance balanced output.

I wonder how much demand there'd be for a nice quality audio matrix? Guessing it'd be relatively niche, but as there's nothing much out there...

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Post by orz » Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:42 am

Would love an audio matrix! Especially a nice quality, fairly compact one. (I think the mixer section on the SV is really handy, not only for the internal sounds.)

EDIT: Oops, accidentally wrote a bunch of stuff about the synthvoice. Wrong topic.
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Post by indexofmetals » Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:25 am

I'd definitely jump at one of these. I've been using mult boxes and some old boss 4->1 mixer boxes but usually too much of a headache.

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Post by otoskope » Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:07 am

Tom, you know I'm a matrix addict, so I'd definitely get one. It would be a great hub for a system based on your red line of processors, but please make sure it can accept modular level inputs, too, if you decide to actually make it!

Even better if you made it bigger, like 8x8, but that would probably require a different frame format, with lots of complications.

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Post by sungja » Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:39 pm

I`d pick up one for sure.

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Post by BugBrand » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:48 pm

Yes, any matrix idea currently is for 1/4" AC-coupled work - with variable preamp (of course able to take +/-5V input). Red boxes or any other line level studio gear - absolutely.

I guess I could consider a matrix in a future Modular Frame, DC coupled, invertable etc, but let's leave that for now.

Even this one would require a new frame design - but just a stretch of the existing ones - 6FW, rather than the current 3 or 5FW.
I did try to fit something in 5FW, but felt the need for features and avoiding excessive cramp.
I have certainly considered other size custom enclosures, but don't really want to scratch that itch just yet.

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Post by indexofmetals » Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:47 pm

even when I had to sell 2/3's of the bug I still kept the 4 bug matrix mixers (grouped in pairs) as a lot of the time I don't really repatch anymore, just change matrix settings. Having that for integrating with the red devices would as Palle said be great

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Post by wednesdayayay » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:02 pm

a thousand times yes
I'm getting ready to DIY a passive option but ultimately I know I'll want something like what you are talking about
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Post by dadek » Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:21 pm

:sb: of much interest, would love to replace my current matrix mixing solution with this.

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Post by Kalerne » Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:57 am

If the price is not too high (I know it's very subjective), I'd be very interested. Oh, and... please don't red. Keep blue for this one. :-)

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Post by seeasound » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:38 am

Its a yes from me :twisted:

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Post by wednesdayayay » Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:08 am

lots and lots of vca's I bet isn't super cheap
I would pay a pretty penny happily to wiggle into the buggy bug world

the only thing I don't quite understand is the inverted bit
having never really had the capability to invert audio signals what is the usefulness of this?

also as big fan of ciat-lonbarde my gear is all based around 0-10v would the 5-10v just get clipped in your current design?

or would the preamp be able to dial it back to acceptable levels?
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Post by BugBrand » Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:12 pm

Yeah, it isn't VCAs - that'd be something much more complex.
Just multiple repetitions of nice quality low noise analogue circuitry.

I'm not entirely sure on the Inverting - I've always thought it necessary in such designs (all my designs are phase consistent, but you never know with all other gear). It is a relatively simple addition which I feel could be missed otherwise - and there's always the possibility of it being used for interesting stuff. Saying that, I never really used the inverting option on the COFilter.

Regarding 0-10V - the inputs will be AC coupled, so remains at the standard 10V PtoP amplitude. I tend to design around that as internal desired level so you'd just set the preamps to 0dB (maybe I'll actually get around to marking such things on the panels..).

I'd imagine it would be red - it is a line device, so that would fit with my sorts of standard approaches.

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Post by otoskope » Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:53 pm

Inverting can also do a huge difference when working with feedback in creative ways :sb:
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Post by Gringo Starr » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:07 pm

otoskope wrote:Inverting can also do a huge difference when working with feedback in creative ways :sb:
Introverting makes the hugest difference with creative ways though. ;)
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Post by otoskope » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:20 pm

Try both at the same time! Nothing beats that. ;)
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Post by BugBrand » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:29 am

Well, managed to squeeze a test design & layout out... Pretty intense!
Will order some test boards shortly.

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Post by wednesdayayay » Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:36 pm

oooooooh yes this is exciting saving up some scrumples :miley:
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Post by BugBrand » Mon Sep 26, 2016 3:34 pm

Usual proviso of don't hold your breath just yet!

Though have now ordered test board & panel.

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Post by leeski » Mon Sep 26, 2016 3:46 pm

i''d love one of these mixers :tu:
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Post by Kalerne » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:46 pm

Really looking forward !

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Post by soup » Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:38 pm

Yes please!

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One of the nice things about the Auxpander is each output has it's own full scale input so 2 or more can be chained together. With all the connections on a panel one input for each output might not be too feasible but even 1 or 2 would open up a lot of possibilities. The problem with matrix mixers is you quickly run out of inputs when you start wanting aux returns.

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Post by vasculator » Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:20 pm

definitely interested in this. looks great.

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Post by BugBrand » Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:11 am

Worth noting that the (very pixelated) pic on the 1st post is out of date (2013!) - the layout has changed quite a bit, most importantly it is now a 5x5 matrix.

Yes, I thought a lot about numbers of channels - 5x5 is probably only suitable for relatively small setups (as Soup says, returns quickly eat up inputs). Maybe down the line I would do a bigger design such as 10ins, 6 outs - but as mentioned, it'd require some extra design needs like custom case, so not suitable for me for now. Start small!

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Post by indexofmetals » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:17 am

would this be in the DRM & expander size case?

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