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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

Post by noobyist » Thu May 21, 2020 3:43 pm

Did anyone actually played this synth?

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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

Post by Voltcontrol » Thu May 21, 2020 3:52 pm

noobyist wrote:
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Did anyone actually played this synth?
That dude in the video + other Behringer employees and potentially it's in the hands of some reviewers already. Otherwise no one.

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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

Post by Jim the Oldbie » Thu May 21, 2020 3:54 pm

chipaudette wrote:
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...Do you hear that glorious detuning that occurs during the slide?!? I don't think that any modern synth does this...
Not for nuthin but...a Juno-106 can do this - with DCOs no less. ;)

But yes, what a magnificent effect. Some of my favorite keyboard solos of all time are the ones where Roger Powell used to do this with his big Moog.

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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

Post by Voltcontrol » Thu May 21, 2020 3:54 pm

Blairio wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 12:52 pm
anselmi wrote:
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I guess for me the MonoPoly is like a mid 60's small capacity british or italian sports car*. If you just look its spec, you will wonder what the fuss is about.

Driving / playing it is another matter.

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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

Post by Dibek » Thu May 21, 2020 4:09 pm

i think the Monopoly sounds spot on judging from the videos. Just had my mono/poly serviced (some recapping had to be done, tuning and tubbutec upgrade) i might have been able to buy the Behringer Monopoly for the price i payed :)

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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

Post by Rex Coil 7 » Thu May 21, 2020 4:12 pm

Jim the Oldbie wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 3:54 pm
chipaudette wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 11:21 am
...Do you hear that glorious detuning that occurs during the slide?!? I don't think that any modern synth does this...
Not for nuthin but...a Juno-106 can do this - with DCOs no less. ;)

But yes, what a magnificent effect. Some of my favorite keyboard solos of all time are the ones where Roger Powell used to do this with his big Moog.
... there is a vst called "opx pro ii" that is essentially a virtual oberheim ... that thing is amazing! it does the mono/poly portamento trick just great. i have the opx pro ii, and i owned a mono/poly for years, so i've a frame of reference to compare the opx pro ii with the mono/poly.
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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

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Jim the Oldbie wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 3:54 pm
chipaudette wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 11:21 am
...Do you hear that glorious detuning that occurs during the slide?!? I don't think that any modern synth does this...
Not for nuthin but...a Juno-106 can do this - with DCOs no less. ;)

But yes, what a magnificent effect. Some of my favorite keyboard solos of all time are the ones where Roger Powell used to do this with his big Moog.
Can the prophet 6 do this or am I missing something?
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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

Post by coolshirtdotjpg » Thu May 21, 2020 5:25 pm

Also, I'm really glad they are moving onto paraphonic synths I'm actually interested in (I've never been a Moog fan: a model D for 250 bucks, great, I'll take it, for 700... nope). I hope the Jupiter 4 is next.
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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

Post by moremagic » Thu May 21, 2020 7:58 pm

Cybananna wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 1:29 pm
Anyone know if the mono/poly shares the same filter with the polysix?
it uses the same chip but the circuits different; the polysix had a lot of distortion thats hard to dial out while the monopolys got infinite headroom. they dont sound the same

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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

Post by anselmi » Thu May 21, 2020 8:24 pm

coolshirtdotjpg wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 5:25 pm
I hope the Jupiter 4 is next.
It seems that this is not in the list...Jup 8 is the closer I think, and according for this you´d have to wait for it...

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Behringer B- 2600, (ARP 2600 Klon) Erste Demos 02.2020 – 90 %
Klark Teknik BBD-320 (Roland SDD-320) News 1.2020 – 90 %
Behringer CAT (News 31.12.2019) – 90 %
Behringer DAW, News 03.2020 – 40 %
Behringer DS-80 (Yamaha CS-80) (News 11.05.2019) – 40 %
Behringer DX1 (Gardiner Houlgate Report 21.12.2018) – 50 %
Behringer Jupiter-8 (Uli Teaser / Synthopia 25.2.2018) – 20 %
Behringer Logan (Registrierung Markenname 11.2019) – 5 %
Behringer LMX (LinnDrum) (Spekulative News 29.7.2019) – 10 %
Behringer MonoPoly (Preview Markenname 05.2020) – 90 %
Behringer OMX (Oberheim DMX) (Leak, 12.2017) – 20 %
Behringer OSCar (News, 03.2017) – 60 %
Behringer Polivoks (Registrierung Markenname 11.2019) – 5 %
Behringer Prodigy (Registrierung Markenname 11.2019) – 5 %
Behringer Pro-16 (Registrierung Markenname 11.2019) – 5 %
Behringer Pro-800 (Prophet 600 Klon) – Spekulation 03.2020 – 20 %
Behringer Prophet 5 Eurorack (Video 7.2019) – 5 %
Behringer Quadra (Registrierung Markenname 11.2019) – 5 %
Behringer RD-6 (TR-606) (News 18.01.2020) – 90 %
Behringer RD-78 (Roland CR-78) Aufruf von Behringer 01.2020 – 25 %
Behringer RD-9 (TR-909) – Ankündigung Fertigstellung 02.2020 – 100 %
Behringer RD-999 (Leak, 12.2017) – 10 %
Behringer Solina Strings News & Video vom 11.3.2020 – 60 %
Behringer Source (Registrierung Markenname 11.2019) – 5 %
Behringer Synthex (Registrierung Markenname 11.2019) – 5 %
Behringer System-100 Module (News 01.2020) – 90 %
Behringer System 55 (Moog Modular 900) (News 17.1.2020) – 90 %
Behringer TD-3-XXX (TB-303 Devil Fish) News 02.2020 – 90 %
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one of the reasons Buchla synths were originally appealing precisely because they were cheaper than moog, and you could probably trade drugs for them.

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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

Post by Orion » Thu May 21, 2020 9:11 pm

Watched through the video and have to say that I’m feeling the pull. The poly D was cool, but the build quality issues turned me away. I like the adjustable panel too. Great feature on my minimoog. I guess we’ll have to see how it is once released but I’m certainly thinking about it. I’ve had varying opinions on the different behringer releases but if they get it right I will be taking a serious look at it.

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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

Post by Voltcontrol » Fri May 22, 2020 7:01 am

anselmi wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 8:24 pm
coolshirtdotjpg wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 5:25 pm
I hope the Jupiter 4 is next.
It seems that this is not in the list...Jup 8 is the closer I think, and according for this you´d have to wait for it...

Behringer Access Virus (Video 7.2019) – 5%
Behringer B- 2600, (ARP 2600 Klon) Erste Demos 02.2020 – 90 %
Klark Teknik BBD-320 (Roland SDD-320) News 1.2020 – 90 %
Behringer CAT (News 31.12.2019) – 90 %
Behringer DAW, News 03.2020 – 40 %
Behringer DS-80 (Yamaha CS-80) (News 11.05.2019) – 40 %
Behringer DX1 (Gardiner Houlgate Report 21.12.2018) – 50 %
Behringer Jupiter-8 (Uli Teaser / Synthopia 25.2.2018) – 20 %
Behringer Logan (Registrierung Markenname 11.2019) – 5 %
Behringer LMX (LinnDrum) (Spekulative News 29.7.2019) – 10 %
Behringer MonoPoly (Preview Markenname 05.2020) – 90 %
Behringer OMX (Oberheim DMX) (Leak, 12.2017) – 20 %
Behringer OSCar (News, 03.2017) – 60 %
Behringer Polivoks (Registrierung Markenname 11.2019) – 5 %
Behringer Prodigy (Registrierung Markenname 11.2019) – 5 %
Behringer Pro-16 (Registrierung Markenname 11.2019) – 5 %
Behringer Pro-800 (Prophet 600 Klon) – Spekulation 03.2020 – 20 %
Behringer Prophet 5 Eurorack (Video 7.2019) – 5 %
Behringer Quadra (Registrierung Markenname 11.2019) – 5 %
Behringer RD-6 (TR-606) (News 18.01.2020) – 90 %
Behringer RD-78 (Roland CR-78) Aufruf von Behringer 01.2020 – 25 %
Behringer RD-9 (TR-909) – Ankündigung Fertigstellung 02.2020 – 100 %
Behringer RD-999 (Leak, 12.2017) – 10 %
Behringer Solina Strings News & Video vom 11.3.2020 – 60 %
Behringer Source (Registrierung Markenname 11.2019) – 5 %
Behringer Synthex (Registrierung Markenname 11.2019) – 5 %
Behringer System-100 Module (News 01.2020) – 90 %
Behringer System 55 (Moog Modular 900) (News 17.1.2020) – 90 %
Behringer TD-3-XXX (TB-303 Devil Fish) News 02.2020 – 90 %
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What, the Access Virus? Totally missed that they are also working on cloning that and very surprised by it. Sans TI if it really happens most likely. :mrgreen:

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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

Post by anselmi » Fri May 22, 2020 10:03 am

Voltcontrol wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 7:01 am

What, the Access Virus? Totally missed that they are also working on cloning that and very surprised by it. Sans TI if it really happens most likely. :mrgreen:
bizarre, isn´t it?... :hmm: :despair:
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Tue May 26, 2020 9:51 am
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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

Post by nectarios » Fri May 22, 2020 3:16 pm

Access Virus A/B/Indigo are cheap nowdays. I got an Indigo 1 for 340€. Granted it was a bargain I've seen Bs go for 300-400€. So it would be strange to "clone" those and sell them for the same cash.

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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

Post by ektoquip » Fri May 22, 2020 7:15 pm

What a wonderful list! Hope it all comes true.
Gonna get a couple of those to close off my collection.
Though some of it doesn't quite make sense.
Why a Prophet5 in eurorack but a Prophet600 in clone? Fewer knobs, I suppose, but if you're gonna clone anything it'd be the 5, i'd think and euro the P600.
Why a Solina but not an Omni?
CS-80, good; Jupiter 8, good; and a Quadra? loved the looks but was a bit limited for the package size. As pretty as it is, it always came across as "all hat and no cattle".
Where's the OB-8? That would seem like a better contender.
And why bother with a Source? It sold poorly when people could buy it. Unless B is gonna offer it for $199, i suppose.
Same with the Trident.

Oh well, they didn't hire me for their marketing consultant. I'm sure they're both testing the waters and finalizing ideas.
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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

Post by Voltcontrol » Fri May 22, 2020 8:22 pm

There's some weird and unlikely to happen for real choices in that list, also I'd adapt some of the certainty figures (think those are outdated).
An unlikely one I'd love to see happen is the Matrix 12.
A reliable, slimmed down (chassis, not in terms of keyboard) Matrix 12... :deadbanana:

Anyways, the MonoPoly definitely is great to see resurrected for real now. Let's see how long it takes for it to hit the street.

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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

Post by Blairio » Fri May 22, 2020 10:31 pm

A decent 'stringer' (string machine) would be great.

The Waldorf Streichfett is a fair stab at a stringer, but never really shakes off its digital roots.

The Behringer VC340 is ok as far as it goes, but imagine its string tones layered with brass and synth timbres.

Therefore ..... my vote would be for a 'homage' to the great Korg Trident mk2 (string / brass / synth) with at least 16 notes polyphony. In an ideal world it would also have the 'human voice' synth engine from the VC340 as well. Instant Prog Rock.

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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

Post by Cybananna » Sat May 23, 2020 5:05 pm

moremagic wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 7:58 pm
Cybananna wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 1:29 pm
Anyone know if the mono/poly shares the same filter with the polysix?
it uses the same chip but the circuits different; the polysix had a lot of distortion thats hard to dial out while the monopolys got infinite headroom. they dont sound the same
Thanks. I love the sound of the polysix filter and have only had brief exposure on a monopoly.

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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

Post by Estes » Sun May 24, 2020 2:54 am

Boy 10 years ago I would have been so happy to have a Mono/Poly...

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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

Post by ektoquip » Sun May 24, 2020 10:33 am

Blairio wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 10:31 pm
Therefore ..... my vote would be for a 'homage' to the great Korg Trident mk2 (string / brass / synth) with at least 16 notes polyphony.
In today's world, it could easily have 64 Gigs of sample memory (in a micro SD chip) and 128 voice polyphony without breaking a sweat.
Placing all that on a keyboard without a screen to manage it would be tough. I had thought about the same thing on a Quadra remake.

That's probably a tough marketing choice. Do they "restore" the device (whatever it is)? Or do they modernize the device? So far, doing things like the Model D, Cat, and 2600 it's an easy choice. Just get a clean clone out with a distinctive sound.

But getting into the Poly machines (like a Trident or Solina) it leaves me asking "why stop there? It's almost more effort to do less than it would be to open it up to do everything."
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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

Post by Blairio » Sun May 24, 2020 1:05 pm

ektoquip wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 10:33 am
Blairio wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 10:31 pm
Therefore ..... my vote would be for a 'homage' to the great Korg Trident mk2 (string / brass / synth) with at least 16 notes polyphony.
In today's world, it could easily have 64 Gigs of sample memory (in a micro SD chip) and 128 voice polyphony without breaking a sweat.

But getting into the Poly machines (like a Trident or Solina) it leaves me asking "why stop there? It's almost more effort to do less than it would be to open it up to do everything."
Fair point, but perhaps the premise that limitation is a bad thing, of doesn't hold true? I am personally not interested in Giga samplers, which is why I prefer Pianoteq to the scores of Giga sampler based pianos out there.

If Giga sampling is the universal panacea, why are mellotrons and chamberlains still so sought after?

Maybe it is the constraints that define many classical synths. You can do a lot with a square wave and a decent filter.

The Korg Trident is incredibly powerful. The synth section alone is very competent. Then you have the string synth with ensemble, and finally the brass synth ( effectively a second polysynth). Add to that a decent flanger....

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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

Post by ektoquip » Sun May 24, 2020 2:06 pm

Blairio wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 1:05 pm
Fair point, but perhaps the premise that limitation is a bad thing, of doesn't hold true? I am personally not interested in Giga samplers, which is why I prefer Pianoteq to the scores of Giga sampler based pianos out there.
I suppose my real point was that many of the polys, like string machines and even a Polymoog, are simply organs with better filter control.
So to resurrect a Trident - as one of that genre - the sampler would certainly be the appropriate tech. After all, sampling was new or non-existent at the time.
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If Giga sampling is the universal panacea, why are mellotrons and chamberlains still so sought after?
They're not, and they never really were.
Take the combined number of units of all Mellotrons, vintage and re-popped, plus every Chamberlain, and compare that to, say, a Korg M1, or any of a dozen other synths. The following is minuscule.

Everyone liked them. They like the idea of them. They loved to look at them and play with them. But when it came to plunking down hard cash on one, they walk away with hands in pockets. Then purchase a sampler or something similar. Seen it many times.

I won't argue the emotions of it, sure, you're right, but the business aspect? Crazy one-sided.
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Maybe it is the constraints that define many classical synths.
Sure, let's say it is.
The question Behringer (and every dealer) has to ask is if people are wanting to pay for 'restraint' when they know good and well no such shortcomings are necessary these days.
Blairio wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 1:05 pm
The Korg Trident is incredibly powerful. The synth section alone is very competent. Then you have the string synth with ensemble, and finally the brass synth ( effectively a second polysynth). Add to that a decent flanger....
Organ with effects.
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ektoquip wrote:
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Organ with effects.
Now you're just being silly! :foul:.
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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

Post by Blairio » Sun May 24, 2020 3:36 pm

ektoquip wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 2:06 pm

Organ with effects.
No. If the Trident was merely an organ with effects, it wouldn't be constrained to 8 note polyphony.

You need to think harder about the voice architecture.

On Chamberlains - what restricted their sales was their cost. Mellotrons were more accessible,, but less playable. Remember that a Chamberlain's flywheel sat proud of the top of the instrument. You could drag the pitch lower, or kick it it higher. There is a pedal steel guitar Chamberlain tape set that makes no sense, until you see a Chamberlain played well.

I guess none of this matters of you think Giga samplers are the universal panacea. But, look closely at the waveforms of repeated 808 kick drum hits. Each is slightly different. A sample of an 808 kick drum hit is the same each time. Now scale that up to polysynths, and you hit the same problem. Samplers are deterministic, even samplers consuming gigabytes of disk space.

Going back to Pianoteq... The application foot print is around 60mb, for the version I use.

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Re: Behringer Mono/Poly!

Post by ektoquip » Mon May 25, 2020 6:20 pm

Wow, that's where you're going? Hope I spelled everything right.

Never did i say Giga Samplers are the universal panacea [redundant], however, whether sampling or virtual - like you use - it's entirely the appropriate tech to use as opposed to a fully discreet voice hardware buildup ordeal.

But i guess none of that matters if you're gonna get testy about everything.

Personally, I'm just glad someone like Behringer has stepped up and started cranking out something classic again. Gives us all something to chew on and toss about. Left to the Big 3, this discussion would never exist, I don't think.
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