Pioneer TORAIZ SP-16 Sampler

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Post by djthopa » Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:44 am

Thanks for the head ups on the update!

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Post by Panason » Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:18 pm

It's a nice surprise and good to see they haven't quite abandoned the machine.

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Post by poppinger » Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:59 pm

Cool! Just last night I was idly poking around the Pioneer website to see if there had been any updates recently.

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Post by DiscoDevil » Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:45 pm

dubnspace wrote:price dropped to $899!
https://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-PIO-TSP16-LIST

Whoa. Sounds like firesale. I'd guess this is the last update we'll see and the end of the SP-16 unless they're doing a MK2.

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Post by DiscoDevil » Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:56 pm

The sad thing is, if they had just released the damned thing without all this headache or had put together updates in a more timely manner, they'd have sold so many more of them and not had people screaming at them for 3 years.

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Post by h4ndcrafted » Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:44 pm

Who’d buy one new now with so many on eBay ?

It’s a pitty, it’s really well built and the pads are nice. What a cock up, it has a lot going for it compared to the comp. Woudnt it be great if somebody did a mpc1000 on it.
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Post by revtor » Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:34 pm

Didn’t pioneer spin the Toraiz brand off to another company? Something along these lines within the past year or so.. 899 is great for what you get w/1.6, just wish the MIDI input/recording side of things would be been worked out a bit better..

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Post by dubonaire » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:46 pm

revtor wrote:Didn’t pioneer spin the Toraiz brand off to another company? Something along these lines within the past year or so..
No.Pioneer DJ is for sale though, probably to another PE Fund.

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Post by d2ba » Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:51 am

https://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-PIO-DJS1000-PAK
DJS-1000 is also a good deal at $1019

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Post by dubonaire » Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:50 pm

DiscoDevil Firmware update fixed my MIDI Sync Source problem :)

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Post by DiscoDevil » Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:38 pm

dubonaire wrote:DiscoDevil Firmware update fixed my MIDI Sync Source problem :)
Right on! I am in shock that they fixed the midi thru. I had given up on that.

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Post by h4ndcrafted » Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:40 am

Is the stutter bug fixed using midi clock ?

If you start the sequence from the SP while using midi clock, you get a double hit.
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Post by Panason » Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:42 am

Does the touch strip's retrigger effect work properly on the new OS? I heard it had some trouble with some quantization values under OS1.5?

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Post by onthebandwagon » Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:08 pm

Do any members own both an SP-16 and Deluge?
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Post by lmixl » Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:20 pm

Thinking of sequencing a Nord Drum 3 with the sp16...Would that work out?
Anyone elese using same setup for sequencing modules with the sp16?

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Post by DiscoDevil » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:58 pm

lmixl wrote:Thinking of sequencing a Nord Drum 3 with the sp16...Would that work out?
Anyone elese using same setup for sequencing modules with the sp16?
Would work as long as you're ok with using up a track for each instrument sound in the Nord Drum.

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Post by xonetacular » Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:39 pm

ok for someone who hasnt paid attention to this in a couple years can someone give me cliff notes pros/cons of the sp-16 now?

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Post by Panason » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:10 am

This thread and the GS thread have it fully covered.

Bad:
No zero point crossing for sample slicing- clicks must be dealt with using the amp envelope
Needs computer to really manage the samples and do proper editing (like all similar boxes)
No sequencer track mutes, only audio mutes
No individual step copy paste, only whole bar (or pattern) copy/paste- this one is a real bitch
Not fully polyphonic MIDI sequencing

Good:
Best sound
Best ease of use
Best hardware quality
Does not crash, doesn't have weird bugs
Is not Elektron

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Post by DiscoDevil » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:23 am

Pros:

It's the greatest sampling drum machine ever made.

Cons:

It's a sampling drum machine and needs some help if it's going to be your main MIDI sequencer.

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Post by onthebandwagon » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:24 am

Panason wrote:This thread and the GS thread have it fully covered.

Bad:
No zero point crossing for sample slicing- clicks must be dealt with using the amp envelope
Needs computer to really manage the samples and do proper editing (like all similar boxes)
No sequencer track mutes, only audio mutes
No individual step copy paste, only whole bar (or pattern) copy/paste- this one is a real bitch
Not fully polyphonic MIDI sequencing

Good:
Best sound
Best ease of use
Best hardware quality
Does not crash, doesn't have weird bugs
Is not Elektron
Is the Deluge as reliant on a computer for sample editing etc.?
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Post by dubonaire » Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:56 pm

onthebandwagon wrote:
Panason wrote:This thread and the GS thread have it fully covered.

Bad:
No zero point crossing for sample slicing- clicks must be dealt with using the amp envelope
Needs computer to really manage the samples and do proper editing (like all similar boxes)
No sequencer track mutes, only audio mutes
No individual step copy paste, only whole bar (or pattern) copy/paste- this one is a real bitch
Not fully polyphonic MIDI sequencing

Good:
Best sound
Best ease of use
Best hardware quality
Does not crash, doesn't have weird bugs
Is not Elektron
Is the Deluge as reliant on a computer for sample editing etc.?
I personally wouldn't want to do sample editing with a machine that shows you the sample waveform so crudely. You might be ok with this:

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SP-16 has a good sample display and I find the editing functions well designed. I'm not sure any machine is going to be able to process samples as easily as software does now, we've been spoilt.

Also I find hardware versions of a piano roll opaque.

I don't find not being able to copy notes a problem but midi sequencing is not my primary use for the SP-16. You can always use record to drop individual notes in anyway.

I don't think it was ever meant to be a midi sequencer and I would not get one for that purpose.

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Post by onthebandwagon » Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:17 pm

Are most the people here who have been using it doing so mainly in the love set-up for dance music? I guess the inverse of my question is have many found it’s workflow and limitations suitable for studio work making non-dance music? Using its sampling and sequencing abilities for things other than beats?
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Post by DiscoDevil » Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:17 pm

onthebandwagon wrote:Are most the people here who have been using it doing so mainly in the love set-up for dance music? I guess the inverse of my question is have many found it’s workflow and limitations suitable for studio work making non-dance music? Using its sampling and sequencing abilities for things other than beats?
I do my studio production with it as well but it's all pretty beat oriented. Since the sampling capabilities are so closely tied to the sequencer, I think doing things that aren't phrase based could be challenging.

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Post by onthebandwagon » Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:22 pm

DiscoDevil wrote:
onthebandwagon wrote:Are most the people here who have been using it doing so mainly in the love set-up for dance music? I guess the inverse of my question is have many found it’s workflow and limitations suitable for studio work making non-dance music? Using its sampling and sequencing abilities for things other than beats?
I do my studio production with it as well but it's all pretty beat oriented. Since the sampling capabilities are so closely tied to the sequencer, I think doing things that aren't phrase based could be challenging.
I don’t know if I’ve exhausted my research but I’m having a hard time finding a piece of hardware in this price range and with a similar ease of use which would be suitable for what I want it to do...
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