Novation Peak 8-Voice Polyphonic Synthesizer

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Novation Peak 8-Voice Polyphonic Synthesizer

Post by drowld » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:24 pm

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"The Novation Peak is an eight-voice desktop polyphonic synthesizer with a hybrid analog/digital architecture. It features three New Oxford Oscillators per voice, a resonant multi-mode analog filter for each voice, and three distortion points in its analog signal chain."

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2017/ ... rbooth-17/

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Post by z3r01 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:27 pm

A couple more demos here:

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Definitely didn't see that coming. Sounds pretty good, and that filter in hi-pass mode sounds awesome.

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Post by minimalist » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:47 pm

I just got a mailshot from Novation about this.

I don't normally say this kind of thing but I feel this could be an automatic purchase for me. I was planning on buying a used Moog Voyager (rack mount edition) but subject to hearing/knowing more, this has moved to first place on my "what to buy next" list...

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Post by Numanoid92 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:04 pm

Sounds lovely, like someone already said, up on my shopping list.. i wanted to buy a Parva, but now.... Damn....
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Post by crawling wind » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:36 pm

Good for Novation! And...no annoying teaser campaign...

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Post by TheRosskonian » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:49 pm

Happy to see two LFOs. Always made me scratch my head why a lot of hardware synths only had one LFO (I'm looking at you, System 8). Could be my lack of knowledge of what is out there, but it's a big reason I went modular.

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Post by talfred » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:12 pm

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This synth sounds very good. Good enough to forget that they once made some really bad sounding synths (K series)

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Post by talfred » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:19 pm

Oh, and I love this teaser video, one of the better product demos:

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Finally, they get someone interesting to present their product, and not the usual piece of boring, London-based dubstep skrillex-type producer shit

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Post by wiperactive » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:19 pm

Facilities and sound quality all seem good at this point. Hardly surprising with Chris Hugget (Oscar/Wasp) involved with the design.

Funnily enough, just hours before stumbling on this, I was thinking how nice it would be if an affordable, enhanced to current standards, Korg EX8000 /DW8000 concept was out there. This hybrid fits very nicely into that projection.

Like the way they've sneaked a freely assignable CV input on the rear panel.

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Post by Annwn » Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:18 pm

talfred wrote:Oh, and I love this teaser video, one of the better product demos:

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Finally, they get someone interesting to present their product, and not the usual piece of boring, London-based dubstep skrillex-type producer shit
Agreed. It's nice to see artists like this and other people from the "high art" world e.g Max Richter start to endorse products. Good to show people that synths can do more than just trigger women to gyrate wildly.

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Post by basehead617 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:22 pm

Not liking the sound personally =/

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Post by Sinamsis » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:58 pm

This certainly has my attention. It's the year of the hybrid synths I guess (this and the new Waldorf synth). I have a Parva coming, and I'm still watching this.

Regarding two LFOs... yes it's nice. I would have hoped for more, although with three oscillators you could probably work around it. I've been spoiled by DSI with four LFOs and 3 or 4 envelopes. I'm particularly glad this has a third envelope at least. An option for a looping envelope would be nice, but not a deal breaker.

All in all, I'm glad to see more companies offering reasonably priced polysynths. I'm not sure if I'll actually take the plunge. But I'll certainly be watching with interest. I personally thought the Bass Station II is an excellent value, and a wonderful sounding synth. This seems like the logical progression.

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Post by whitewulfe » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:38 pm

It definitely piqued my interest, especially given that the price isn't necessarily all that bad....

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Post by anselmi » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:42 pm

sorry guys but I´m still trying to figure out how FPGA technology works

as long as I know FPGA is pure analog, so why they says that the oscillatoras are digital?

please somebody explain this

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Post by Happyanimal » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:53 pm

Oscillators are totally digital unless I read something wrong.

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Post by Happyanimal » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:55 pm

Looks nice, but don't know why they had to dedicate so much panel space for digital effects. Would've been better to have a few mix and parameter knobs and then more accesss via menu. Would've much rather had 4 more sliders for that 3rd envelope instead of toggling.

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Post by anselmi » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:01 am

anselmi wrote: as long as I know FPGA is pure analog, so why they says that the oscillatoras are digital?
reading again I realized that I was confusing FPGA (digital) with FPAA (the analog one)

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Post by tesserack » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:17 am

"but Peak uses a new Numerically-Controlled Oscillator (NCO) design that combines analog sound with the flexibility of digital wavetables."

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Post by Futuresound » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:41 am

Is this the first FPGA-based synth?

Pretty interesting stuff. I'd love to put the oscillators in this up against a real analog synth and see how close it gets - I bet it's very very close indeed.

Also of interest: audio-rate modulation, a healthy mod matrix, pre- and post-filter distortion, and an analog dry path through the effects.

I don't like the knobs, and I wish it had analog clock in and out, but otherwise this is looking pretty impressive.

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Post by Futuresound » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:47 am

tesserack wrote:"but Peak uses a new Numerically-Controlled Oscillator (NCO) design that combines analog sound with the flexibility of digital wavetables."
That's a sneaky bit of marketing right there. All sound is analog in the end, and this DOES have analog filters and VCAs, so they're not actually wrong per se but...

It says something about the synth market that Novation feels the need to go to such lengths to avoid saying outright that the oscillators are digital. The closest they really get is describing the DACs they're using for each voice. Some people will not realize that means the oscillators are digital.

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Post by hairbow » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:04 am

Futuresound wrote:
tesserack wrote:"but Peak uses a new Numerically-Controlled Oscillator (NCO) design that combines analog sound with the flexibility of digital wavetables."
That's a sneaky bit of marketing right there. All sound is analog in the end, and this DOES have analog filters and VCAs, so they're not actually wrong per se but...

It says something about the synth market that Novation feels the need to go to such lengths to avoid saying outright that the oscillators are digital. The closest they really get is describing the DACs they're using for each voice. Some people will not realize that means the oscillators are digital.
Any digital control requires a DAC. There are DACs for patch memory, for instance.

My understanding of NCOs is that they rapidly calculate data and then send CV to control circuits to generate that data in the analog domain. So while the waves are entirely generated digitally (this method allows for wavetables to be generated by calculating the shape of the wavetable), it is controlling analog circuits to shape the waves. This is entirely different from an audio rate digital signal being sent from a DAC to the filter stage. Describing the DACs and sample rate are showing the rate of calculation for this CV data for the analog circuits. It is still ultimately digital information, rather than purely electric signals, but a large step away from DSP-modeled waves and the sounds in the demos are clearly apparent of that difference.

So yes, in a way it is analog sound. In the Modal 002 the NCOs do not have any digital conversion for audio path and lie in the analog domain from NCO to output. Also in the Modal 002 the NCOs are not phase locked, so they are all swimmy and constantly contrasting each other like VCOs would. If Novation implements this style of design for cheaper than Modal, absolute game changer.

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Post by Nielsen » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:24 am

That one looks really good (and sounds better). Honestly I don't care if the OSCs are digital or analog. In fact I'm sure the digital OSCs would fit my studio setup better since they are a lot more versatile.

But the real bonus point is the price. As far as I know other Novations products it will get lower in the next months. Maybe around 999€? [/img]

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Post by stikygum » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:37 am

This gives me vibes of the Roland JP-8080 in appearance, which was a classic. The design is very clean looking.

TheRosskonian wrote:Happy to see two LFOs. Always made me scratch my head why a lot of hardware synths only had one LFO (I'm looking at you, System 8). Could be my lack of knowledge of what is out there, but it's a big reason I went modular.
Me too. I can't stand having only 1 LFO actually.

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Post by ugokcen » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:10 am

I like the design, nice clear layout (not too small!), no keyboard, the angled stand (somebody should make this for other synths, I see opportunity there) - and even the marketing. No stupid teaser or hype, just an interesting musician giving his honest opinion. I should check out Hauschka's work, what I heard in the demo was right up my alley.

Now, will I buy it? Probably not, because in the end it's another digital synth wanting to be analog. I mean look at al the effort they've put into this thing, new oscillator designs, new chips, a lot of brand new code I presume, all for making perfect saws and squares? And don't get me started on reverb, yes it sounds lush and impressive but we've got great sounding reverb elsewhere (pedals, plugins, etc.). Waste of processing power in my opinion.

I'm not against digital or hybrid designs, in fact I own a Microwave I which I absolutely love and still find new sounds in every day. I also have a CZ-101 which has a unique character to itself. What holds these early digital synths back is the interface, as you know it's no fun scrolling through parameters on a tiny lcd. That's why we see so many unashamedly digital modules in eurorack - the format (finally) makes digital fun to use and allows the user to explore new possibilities.

Novation and all other synth manufacturers should take note. Give us "new" digital with an analog interface. Look at Braids, Loquelic Iteritas, Akemie's castle, etc. for inspiration and cook something of your own.

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