Flame Mäander new Wavetable Desktop Synthesizer w Filterbank

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Post by Paranormal Patroler » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:55 pm

So nice! Congratulations to team Flame. I hope it's a best seller.
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Post by slumberjack » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:32 pm

:party: :party: :party: :party:


this, malekko 202, tasty chips granular box and system80 880. a mixer with good preamps, a few nice pedals and your live setup is there. with incredible small boxes from boutique manufactorers. i'd call it right away 'boutique live'. now i just gotta learn how to keep things interesting for an hour and first of all get me a nice loan...

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Post by chaosick » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:42 pm

slumberjack wrote::party: :party: :party: :party:


this, malekko 202, tasty chips granular box and system80 880. a mixer with good preamps, a few nice pedals and your live setup is there. with incredible small boxes from boutique manufactorers. i'd call it right away 'boutique live'. now i just gotta learn how to keep things interesting for an hour and first of all get me a nice loan...
The system80 880 does not sound quite right to me compared to the Yocto, but sure.

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Post by electricfence » Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:35 pm

So, it's almost May. Has anyone heard anything new about this?

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Post by slumberjack » Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:48 am

electricfence wrote:So, it's almost May. Has anyone heard anything new about this?
it says may 2019 on their website.

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Post by slumberjack » Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:54 am

chaosick wrote:The system80 880 does not sound quite right to me compared to the Yocto, but sure.

sorry ot:
how do you come to this conclusion, have you made or seen a comparison?
i'd be happy if you share something. nonetheless i'm not too good at diy so the yocto slips trough anyway.

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Post by r1n9o » Fri May 03, 2019 7:06 am

Here’s some extra Flame Maander info culled from the comments sections of the YouTube clips, Per from Flame said:

-Still planning on a May release (as of a month ago)
-Target price is €1050 (Incl. VAT)
-In US, at least Analoghaven will be distributing. (I assume others?)
-He teases at the possibility of 8-voice polyphony...

Here are the specs from their site:

http://flame.fortschritt-musik.de/flame ... dular.html

SHORT OVERVIEW

- 4 voice OSC wavetable oscillator (4VOX compatible)
- 39 wavetable memories (also for user defined wavetables)
- ADSR amplifier envelope, also usable as a filter envelope
- UNISONO mode for fat chorus-like sounds
- OSC has its own 4 voice polyphonic sequencer track for notes and chords
- analoge white noise channel, VCA controlled by own sequencer track and envelope (AR types)
- external monophon audio input with two separate input jacks (LINE level and Guitar level)
- audio input channel, VCA controlled by own sequencer track and envelope (AR types)
- analog 12 channel filter bank, 11x band pass, 1x high pass, each 24dB with some resonance
- filter bank is controllable via 12 VCA (8 filter typs and/or via 12 sequence tracks)
- filter types: LP, 3x BP, HP, NOTCH, combinations: LP/HP, LP+BP
- each filter channel is VCA controlled by own sequencer track and envelope (AR types)
- there are a mixer pot between filter bank sequencer and osc filter envelope
- modulations via 2 LFOs
- LFO waveforms are faded over softly (morphings)
- LFO sync with MIDI clock
- LFO retrigger and one shot mode
- LFO amount to PITCH, COLOUR (Wavetable), CUTOFF, Filter AMP EG
- LFO1 and LFO2 can be mixed with the amount control pots

SEQUENCER:

- Live note repeat sequencer with 15 tracks and pattern up to 4 bars
- one 4 voice polyphonic sequencer track for notes and chords (for the internal wavetable osc)
- 14 monophonic tracks for: 1x external audio input, 1x internal white noise, 12x filter channels
- SHOT section for live play back (note repeat functions)
- each channel with Laststep, Mute and Hold function
- each channel with individual envelope
- individual random function
- global swing function
- all pot positions automatically storable in Patches
- arpeggiator and scaler functions

MIDI:

- all sequencer tracks send and receive notes (via two different midi channels between osc track and other tracks)
- syncronisation via MIDI START/STOP/CLOCK, external clock is detected automatically
- both MIDI inputs are identical and are merged internally
- MIDI Input 2 also has a THRU socket (there the data arriving via MIDI 2 are forwarded)
- via USB you can connect to a computer directly with a MIDI connection
- Firmware updates can be downloaded via sysexfile via USB-MIDI


TECHNICAL DETAILS

HARDWARE:
- robust metal case
- size: 300x195x30(60)mm, weight: ca.2,5kg
- 15 analog sliders (analog channel attenuators)
- 25 Alps pots (for digital values)
- 2 Alps stereo pots (for MAIN out and PHONES)
- 43 illuminated pushbuttons
- 3 digit numeric display
- data entry knob

CONNECTIONS:
- Audio input channel with two separate input jacks (LINE level and Guitar level)
- Audio outputs left/mono, right (odd/even filterbank channels)
- Expression pedal input (stereo jack)
- Foot pedal input (stereo jack for two foot pedals)
- 2x MIDI INPUT
- 1x MIDI THRU from MIDI INPUT 2
- 1x MIDI OUTPUT
- 1x USB (for MIDI and firmware updates)
- 1x external power supply adapter +12v/1A
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Post by electricfence » Fri May 03, 2019 8:00 am

r1n9o wrote:Here’s some extra Flame Maander info culled from the comments sections of the YouTube clips,
Thanks for collecting these. I'm pretty excited about this little synth.

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Post by r1n9o » Sun May 19, 2019 12:27 am

SonicState got a short intro to the Flame Maander at Superbooth. This thing is really unique. So much filter. I haven’t GAS’ed this hard in a while. Flame dude says shipping this month. Price €1049.

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Post by geremyf » Sun May 19, 2019 10:31 pm

I'm still super excited about this, but I'd really like to see the manual! I have *lots* of questions!

Is there filter FM?
Can the LFOs go audio or subaudio rate?
With the 4 wavetable osc, is there osc FM?
It says the filters that comprise the filterbank are 24dB with some resonance, can they output sine waves?
How were the bandpass fixed frequencies chosen?

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Post by chaosick » Tue May 21, 2019 1:39 am

slumberjack wrote:
chaosick wrote:The system80 880 does not sound quite right to me compared to the Yocto, but sure.

sorry ot:
how do you come to this conclusion, have you made or seen a comparison?
i'd be happy if you share something. nonetheless i'm not too good at diy so the yocto slips trough anyway.
Heard multiple demos of system 80, sounds not really like the real thing. Yocto does ,I own it.

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Post by electricfence » Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:21 pm

Well, I can't tell if it's available yet, but they've posted manuals on their website:

http://flame.fortschritt-musik.de/flame ... dular.html

I'm still pretty excited about this synth.

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Post by RickKleffel » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:50 am

I went to the website and wrote info@flame-instruments.de, and asked when Maander would be buyable in the US.

Per, at "snafu.de" [Flame], wrote back in a day:

Hello Rick,

we send next week the first Mäander to analoguehaven - delivery time ca. 2-3 weeks.

thank you and
Best Regards
Per

Yay. This is one of several pieces of kit I'm interested in. (There were 2 FM synths in a recent thread that also seemed buyable, plus the pre-ordered Pulsar-23.) Budgeting -- space and finance -- are issues, hopefully not insurmountable. Finance may be more malleable than space. Where's my damn TARDIS?????

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Post by calaveras » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:42 am

Looks pretty dope. but let me finish getting to the bottom of my new Blofeld.

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Post by electricfence » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:07 am

calaveras wrote:Looks pretty dope. but let me finish getting to the bottom of my new Blofeld.
It sounds like you've got 2-3 weeks from next week to get to the bottom of the Blofeld.

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Post by electricfence » Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:39 pm

Has anyone gotten one of these? If so, how is it?

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Post by Panason » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:57 pm

This is currently available at Thomann, so someone ought to just buy one and report back
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Post by suboptimal » Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:12 pm

I was expecting this to be closer to $1500. Looks like an interesting instrument. Can't wait for someone else to buy it. :hihi:

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Post by Fentune » Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:33 pm

r1n9o wrote:Here’s some extra Flame Maander info culled from the comments sections of the YouTube clips, Per from Flame said:


-He teases at the possibility of 8-voice polyphony...


- 4 voice OSC wavetable oscillator (4VOX compatible)
- 39 wavetable memories (also for user defined wavetables)
- ADSR amplifier envelope, also usable as a filter envelope
- UNISONO mode for fat chorus-like sounds
- OSC has its own 4 voice polyphonic sequencer track for notes and chords
- analoge white noise channel, VCA controlled by own sequencer track and envelope (AR types)
- external monophon audio input with two separate input jacks (LINE level and Guitar level)
- audio input channel, VCA controlled by own sequencer track and envelope (AR types)
- analog 12 channel filter bank, 11x band pass, 1x high pass, each 24dB with some resonance
- filter bank is controllable via 12 VCA (8 filter typs and/or via 12 sequence tracks)
- filter types: LP, 3x BP, HP, NOTCH, combinations: LP/HP, LP+BP
- each filter channel is VCA controlled by own sequencer track and envelope (AR types)
- there are a mixer pot between filter bank sequencer and osc filter envelope
- modulations via 2 LFOs
- LFO waveforms are faded over softly (morphings)
- LFO sync with MIDI clock
- LFO retrigger and one shot mode
- LFO amount to PITCH, COLOUR (Wavetable), CUTOFF, Filter AMP EG
- LFO1 and LFO2 can be mixed with the amount control pots

SEQUENCER:

- Live note repeat sequencer with 15 tracks and pattern up to 4 bars
- one 4 voice polyphonic sequencer track for notes and chords (for the internal wavetable osc)
- 14 monophonic tracks for: 1x external audio input, 1x internal white noise, 12x filter channels
- SHOT section for live play back (note repeat functions)
- each channel with Laststep, Mute and Hold function
- each channel with individual envelope
- individual random function
- global swing function
- all pot positions automatically storable in Patches
- arpeggiator and scaler functions

MIDI:

- all sequencer tracks send and receive notes (via two different midi channels between osc track and other tracks)
- syncronisation via MIDI START/STOP/CLOCK, external clock is detected automatically
- both MIDI inputs are identical and are merged internally
- MIDI Input 2 also has a THRU socket (there the data arriving via MIDI 2 are forwarded)
- via USB you can connect to a computer directly with a MIDI connection
- Firmware updates can be downloaded via sysexfile via USB-MIDI


TECHNICAL DETAILS

HARDWARE:
- robust metal case
- size: 300x195x30(60)mm, weight: ca.2,5kg
- 15 analog sliders (analog channel attenuators)
- 25 Alps pots (for digital values)
- 2 Alps stereo pots (for MAIN out and PHONES)
- 43 illuminated pushbuttons
- 3 digit numeric display
- data entry knob

CONNECTIONS:
- Audio input channel with two separate input jacks (LINE level and Guitar level)
- Audio outputs left/mono, right (odd/even filterbank channels)
- Expression pedal input (stereo jack)
- Foot pedal input (stereo jack for two foot pedals)
- 2x MIDI INPUT
- 1x MIDI THRU from MIDI INPUT 2
- 1x MIDI OUTPUT
- 1x USB (for MIDI and firmware updates)
- 1x external power supply adapter +12v/1A

How would they go from 4 to 8 voice polyphony? Wouldn't that require a hardware upgrade?

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Post by OPT » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:40 pm

I just bought one from Juno.co.uk with a small but decent discount.

Haven’t had too much time to play but first impressions are good. Heavy little unit, nice build (although mine doesn’t sit flat :twisted: ) Wave tables are lovely, and deep, with good modulation. Fun and interesting sequencer, and good midi implementation (which is I think what Flame are known for and was what piqued my interest). Turns out the live ‘shots’ sequencing is :banana: for connecting to external drum module(s) as each of the 12 filter tracks can be configured to transmit a unique midi channel and note number.

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Post by slumberjack » Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:13 am

OPT wrote:each of the 12 filter tracks can be configured to transmit a unique midi channel and note number.
:party: :banana:

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Post by OPT » Thu Oct 03, 2019 3:14 am

slumberjack wrote:
OPT wrote:each of the 12 filter tracks can be configured to transmit a unique midi channel and note number.
:party: :banana:
Yeah - it makes programming (up to) four bar drum patterns super fun.

Just press a track button and twist the shot knobs to change velocity, resolution etc. Swing is nice too :tu:

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Post by Panason » Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:27 am

Most of the demos seem to have a soft vocoder-y sound which is very nice but is there any bite, edge and growl? In other words, can you cook up mad basslines?

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Post by slumberjack » Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:09 am

OPT wrote:
slumberjack wrote:
OPT wrote:each of the 12 filter tracks can be configured to transmit a unique midi channel and note number.
:party: :banana:
Yeah - it makes programming (up to) four bar drum patterns super fun.

Just press a track button and twist the shot knobs to change velocity, resolution etc. Swing is nice too :tu:
as i did express before that this i a nice machine for playing live it seems my impression wasn't that far away as it seems. as i'm looking for a sequencer to play shows this might be spot on. that's +1000 grant on my list so i better start playing lotto or got to horse races on weekend rather for a walk in the woods.

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