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Ninja Tunes Erica Synths Zen Delay

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Post by nectarios » Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:24 am

If they include a "non tape/pitch wobble" mode when the delay time changes, I am keen.

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Post by Panason » Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:26 am

nectarios wrote:If they include a "non tape/pitch wobble" mode when the delay time changes, I am keen.
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Post by onthebandwagon » Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:34 am

That video is certainly something I didn’t need to watch this morning before having coffee...

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Post by dubonaire » Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:49 am

onthebandwagon wrote:That video is certainly something I didn’t need to watch this morning before having coffee...
I don't understand

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Post by onthebandwagon » Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:51 am

dubonaire wrote:
onthebandwagon wrote:That video is certainly something I didn’t need to watch this morning before having coffee...
I don't understand
Just a bit jarring without being fully awake.

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Post by miles_macquarrie » Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:09 am

This delay looks pretty darn good. I recently traded my Strymon Dig and was looking at the El Capistan, but now I'm having second thoughts.
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Post by Leverkusen » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:25 am

nectarios wrote:If they include a "non tape/pitch wobble" mode when the delay time changes, I am keen.
I guess that's what the mode switch does - 5 modes, mainly tape vs. digital delay.

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Post by dubonaire » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:12 am

miles_macquarrie wrote:This delay looks pretty darn good. I recently traded my Strymon Dig and was looking at the El Capistan, but now I'm having second thoughts.
'm struggling to understand why this thread has no interest. It's an awesome delay.

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Post by anselmi » Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:37 am

dubonaire wrote:
miles_macquarrie wrote:This delay looks pretty darn good. I recently traded my Strymon Dig and was looking at the El Capistan, but now I'm having second thoughts.
'm struggling to understand why this thread has no interest. It's an awesome delay.
price and competition? :despair:

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Post by Kent » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:08 am

Probably because the market is flooded with delays of all kinds. Also, there are plug-ins. I pretty much stopped using outboard delays (mostly) and do processing in a dedicated laptop with a multi-channel interface.

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Post by Panason » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:15 am

Strymon boxes, Eventide H9 and now this ... they all seem great... but are they really that much better sounding than good plugins to justify the cost (and space, cables etc) ?

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Post by CF3 » Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:14 pm

Panason wrote:Strymon boxes, Eventide H9 and now this ... they all seem great... but are they really that much better sounding than good plugins to justify the cost (and space, cables etc) ?
They’re 100% justified if you’re using a mixing console and mixing OTB, or just have a bunch of synths and need instant reverb/delay with no hassles, no CPU load and no latency. Just route to an Aux Send/Return and have at it. Hardware FX still have their place, as well as software. Its all good.

As far as sounds goes.... beauty is in the eye of the beholder

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Post by dubonaire » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:54 pm

CF3 wrote:
Panason wrote:Strymon boxes, Eventide H9 and now this ... they all seem great... but are they really that much better sounding than good plugins to justify the cost (and space, cables etc) ?
They’re 100% justified if you’re using a mixing console and mixing OTB, or just have a bunch of synths and need instant reverb/delay with no hassles, no CPU load and no latency. Just route to an Aux Send/Return and have at it. Hardware FX still have their place, as well as software. Its all good.

As far as sounds goes.... beauty is in the eye of the beholder
I use both. I like the way this is designed. One knob per function, filter, analogue tube stage, looks perfect for dub to me.

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Post by nectarios » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:28 pm

455€ +vat.
I'll pass.

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Post by Muzone » Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:33 pm

If you want the 'dub sound' then I can see the attraction, but for that price range I'd go for the Thyme as that seems to have so much more to explore and experiment with.
Horses for courses though, and it certainly does look pretty......

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Post by Stüssy » Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:42 pm

Love the look, but I'll wait for the euro version. (Oh you bet they'll make one.)
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Post by hamildad » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:54 am

its called an analogue Delay but it also uses DSP.

I'd like to know more about the signal path and if there is ways to directly bypass elements you are not using.
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Post by dubonaire » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:06 am

hamildad wrote:its called an analogue Delay but it also uses DSP.

I'd like to know more about the signal path and if there is ways to directly bypass elements you are not using.
The valve circuit is quite obviously an analogue pathway. The delay is DSP. Not sure if the 24db filter is analogue or digital but could be analogue.

It doesn't look to me like any circuitry is bypassed, it's just attenuated or the whole signal path bypassed completely. That seems perfectly logical to me.

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Post by Muzone » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:18 am

Filter is digital by the looks of it...
"...the great sound of our filter ICs made and developed in Latvia"

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Post by dubonaire » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:28 am

Muzone wrote:Filter is digital by the looks of it...
"...the great sound of our filter ICs made and developed in Latvia"
Not that I mind so much, because i think the character circuit will be the valve, but IC filters can be analogue. Most of the famous retro synths used analogue ICs. Integrated circuits just means transitors on the same substrate and not discrete components. It doesn't mean digital logic.

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Post by Funky40 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:42 am

The demo had me very interested. (Just got a Benidub Echo though.)
So, comparing some Erica Delays i´m now much more fond of the Erica stereo Delay. ( additional functionality thru its buttons)
......just that tube sound :hmm:

That one Demo of the Zen Delay is not enough that it could make me jump.
it shows good production skills and that the delay distorts nicely......


i´d really like to know if any of the Erica tube modules could do the trick (edit: added to the stereo delay) ?
....if somebody here is in the knows ?
but then, the Zen demo is so produced out......hard to tell anything in this regard, no ?
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Post by CosmicFlight » Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:26 pm

That valve colour sounds awesome at the start, but more i listen to it and more it start to be a bit sickening :roll:

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Post by Estes » Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:39 pm

there are nice sound examples here on the bottom of the review:

https://www.amazona.de/test-ninja-tune- ... t-mit-vcf/

check the techno jam lovely test who shows the real strength of this delay, also you can here what the tube does. I like the design here being able to make delays that layer very nice and kind of does the generative effect.

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Post by Dave Kendall » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:30 am

Muzone wrote:Filter is digital by the looks of it...
"...the great sound of our filter ICs made and developed in Latvia"
My guess is that they are using Latvian-made Alfa Rpar analogue filter ICs - AS3320 or AS3350, which are closely based on, if not actual clones of the CEM chips with the same model numbers.
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