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Re: Behringer teases 303 clone?

Post by Kattefjaes » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:34 am

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You have to change the sync mode by plugging it into USB and using the configuration software. Don’t ask me how long I messed with this frustrated before figuring this out
Does the front panel select not work for trig sync?

Normally you just hold down Back and Write/Next to go into sync select mode- then hit INT/MIDI/USB/TRIG on the keyboard to select the source and 1PPS/2PPQ/24PPQ/48PPQ. Forgive me if I'm being dim here- are you saying there's a bug where selecting TRIG doesn't work from the device itself?

(What does catch people out, though- if you set it to MIDI, for example, and use it as a MIDI synced device quite happily, you need to remember to switch it back to INT to make it work standalone again. The start button will do nothing, and you'll wonder if it's broken. Everyone does this at least once, it's the rules.)

I feel somewhat stupid for not being able to make this work, mind- syncing stuff up is the absolute basics!

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Re: Behringer teases 303 clone?

Post by heckadecimal69 » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:23 am

After a couple days with it, and initially thinking it sounded worse than I'd been expecting, I've decided that it sounds quite good. I have an Avalon and that's not going anywhere, but this really does sound good. Being forced to work with the internal / OG 303 sequencer has been kind of fun since I never use that on Avalon.

There are 2 HUGE bugs that are killing me and I'm surprised they haven't been addressed yet.
1. Slides don't work over MIDI, WTF
2. Writing a pattern sequence is lost after switching patterns, but comes back after a power cycle, WTF.

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Re: Behringer teases 303 clone?

Post by 3hands » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:46 pm

Man-In-A-Suitcase wrote:
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Bath House wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:19 pm
You have to change the sync mode by plugging it into USB and using the configuration software. Don’t ask me how long I messed with this frustrated before figuring this out
What's wrong with just pressing Function, then pressing Back+Write/Next at same time. Then pressing one of the buttons 1-4 for either Internal, Midi, USB or Trig.



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Re: Behringer teases 303 clone?

Post by Kattefjaes » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:17 am

I can't believe that no wigglers have tried to make this thing sync against CV/trig sync yet. C'mon, help me out and tell me exactly how I am being a dumbass :)

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Re: Behringer teases 303 clone?

Post by hexagon8 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:49 pm

Kattefjaes wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:17 am
I can't believe that no wigglers have tried to make this thing sync against CV/trig sync yet. C'mon, help me out and tell me exactly how I am being a dumbass :)
if you check the manual, it tells you how to switch from INT to EXT clock source ;)

Also, has anyone else had an issue with the rear 1/4" out jack being "loose"? I feel like my cable comes out WAY too easily.

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Post by evs » Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:53 pm

Is there a manual? Mine come without...0

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Post by neonmercury1 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:10 pm

evs wrote:
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Is there a manual? Mine come without...0
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Re: Behringer teases 303 clone?

Post by Kattefjaes » Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:56 am

hexagon8 wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:49 pm
Kattefjaes wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:17 am
I can't believe that no wigglers have tried to make this thing sync against CV/trig sync yet. C'mon, help me out and tell me exactly how I am being a dumbass :)
if you check the manual, it tells you how to switch from INT to EXT clock source ;)

Also, has anyone else had an issue with the rear 1/4" out jack being "loose"? I feel like my cable comes out WAY too easily.
No, it doesn't. You have INT, MIDI, USB and TRIG. No EXT. I assume you don't know, then :mrgreen:

(Have fed it various clocks in TRIG mode, fed by a TRS cable y-splitting into two TS, swapping them around in case clock and run/stop are the other way around)

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Re: Behringer teases 303 clone?

Post by JankySwitch » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:32 am

Kattefjaes - according to the docs. it doesn't look like it will do what you want.

In the section Patchbay (3.5 mm TS input and output connections) it says:
SYNC IN - this input allows the use of an external clock and start/stop signal.
So, the input is TS. I guess the start/stop signal is the presence of the clock?

The start/stop signal isn't mentioned anywhere else, but it does suggest that it's just a clock.
SETTING SYNC and CLOCK TYPE
Selector switches 1, 2, 3, or 4 represent clock source INT, MIDI, USB, or TRIG respectively
Specifications
...
Inputs and Outputs (TS 3.5 mm)
Sync in: More than: 2.5V
So no mention of the start/stop signal and no TRS input.
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Re: Behringer teases 303 clone?

Post by hexagon8 » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:56 am

JankySwitch wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:32 am
Kattefjaes - according to the docs. it doesn't look like it will do what you want.

In the section Patchbay (3.5 mm TS input and output connections) it says:
SYNC IN - this input allows the use of an external clock and start/stop signal.
So, the input is TS. I guess the start/stop signal is the presence of the clock?

The start/stop signal isn't mentioned anywhere else, but it does suggest that it's just a clock.
SETTING SYNC and CLOCK TYPE
Selector switches 1, 2, 3, or 4 represent clock source INT, MIDI, USB, or TRIG respectively
Specifications
...
Inputs and Outputs (TS 3.5 mm)
Sync in: More than: 2.5V
So no mention of the start/stop signal and no TRS input.
I'm using my Deluge to clock the TD-3. It starts and stops when the deluge starts and stops.

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Re: Behringer teases 303 clone?

Post by Kattefjaes » Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:27 pm

Maybe I've messed up my FH-2 config somehow. Thanks for confirming that it's possible. Can you tell me details of your clock, just so I can try those first (though the TD-3 should handle various)..

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Re: Behringer teases 303 clone?

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:32 am

just got mine and it goes hard. i know its a clone, but a more modern way to program sequences would’ve been welcome. otherwise though, totally worth every penny.
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Re: Behringer teases 303 clone?

Post by Kattefjaes » Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:52 am

Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
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just got mine and it goes hard. i know its a clone, but a more modern way to program sequences would’ve been welcome. otherwise though, totally worth every penny.
If you're some sort of heretic, you can bang sequences in via Synthtool on your computer. However, I have to admit that I love the weird old 303 sequencer, it's the cause of so many happy accidents. When I received my TD-3, I was a little embarrassed at how little I remembered of how to drive the sequencer, but have really enjoyed getting back into it.
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Re: Behringer teases 303 clone?

Post by mgscheue » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:55 am

Yeah, I like it. Separating the pitch and timing inputs actually works well, IMO.

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Re: Behringer teases 303 clone?

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:11 am

Kattefjaes wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:52 am
If you're some sort of heretic, you can bang sequences in via Synthtool on your computer. However, I have to admit that I love the weird old 303 sequencer, it's the cause of so many happy accidents. When I received my TD-3, I was a little embarrassed at how little I remembered of how to drive the sequencer, but have really enjoyed getting back into it.
yeah after spending more time with the internal sequencer it is pretty cool. i like using the tap tempo trick to make it go off.
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Re: Behringer teases 303 clone?

Post by Kattefjaes » Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:12 am

Haha, I am glad you made friends with it- it's a large part of the fun.

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Post by Scories » Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:32 am

lisa wrote:
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Got mine yesterday. :spin:

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Nice music. :tu:

I've always liked the way you can program the glide/accent individually for each note on a 303. In the right hands, it can be a pretty expressive instrument.

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Scories wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:32 am
lisa wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:07 am
Got mine yesterday. :spin:

Nice music. :tu:

I've always liked the way you can program the glide/accent individually for each note on a 303. In the right hands, it can be a pretty expressive instrument.
Thanks! Yeah, the original 303-sequencer is quite strange but you can get very expressive results.
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Re: Behringer teases 303 clone?

Post by inoshi » Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:37 pm

how is everyone enjoying their TD-3?

the sound was really impressive to me. Probably one of my favorite purchases so far.

I do have one question though about pattern chaining (tracks). I rtfm'd, but this part went way over my head. I have my patterns set up, switch to track write mode, press 'clear', press the pattern button and bank button at the same time, press write/next, repeat until done. then i press 'clear' again, 'write/next' again, and i should have a track, right?

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Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:39 pm

stoked to pair this up with the RD-6
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Re: Behringer teases 303 clone?

Post by Suineder » Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:18 am

I kinda forgot about this thing for awhile, but I'm considering it again.
About the sequencer: does the CV output follow the programmed slides? That would be totally awesome.

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Post by Voltcontrol » Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:38 am

lisa wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:08 am
Scories wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:32 am
lisa wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:07 am
Got mine yesterday. :spin:

Nice music. :tu:

I've always liked the way you can program the glide/accent individually for each note on a 303. In the right hands, it can be a pretty expressive instrument.
Thanks! Yeah, the original 303-sequencer is quite strange but you can get very expressive results.
Very squelchy, rubbery warm tones. Love it.

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Re: Behringer teases 303 clone?

Post by JankySwitch » Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:16 am

inoshi wrote:how is everyone enjoying their TD-3?
Great so far. Just got it yesterday and learning my way around the sequencer and working out the best way to sync it.

So far it seems like:

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Squarp Pyramid -> BSP Purple channel trigger -> TD-3 sync in
So I can change rhythms, timings, and start and stop on the fly from the Pyramid sequencer. I just need to check if it will follow a track when synced this way (I haven't made any tracks yet :hmm: )

The sound is close enough for me
Suineder wrote: About the sequencer: does the CV output follow the programmed slides? That would be totally awesome.
It seems to. At first I didn't think it did, but I've tried a few more patterns and it seems to. The slide it more pronounced on the TD-3 compared to the Dread Box Hades I hooked it up to for a quick test.
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Re: Behringer teases 303 clone?

Post by Suineder » Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:31 am

JankySwitch wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:16 am
Suineder wrote: About the sequencer: does the CV output follow the programmed slides? That would be totally awesome.
It seems to. At first I didn't think it did, but I've tried a few more patterns and it seems to. The slide it more pronounced on the TD-3 compared to the Dread Box Hades I hooked it up to for a quick test.
Ooh, cool!

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Re: Behringer teases 303 clone?

Post by Kattefjaes » Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:07 am

Worth checking the firmware's up to date- some time around the turn of the year it was updated, one of the changes was to make the slide a little longer, so it sounded more rubbery and 303ish.

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