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$82 "Model D"

Post by nateflanigan » Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:05 pm

Has anyone else seen the facebook ad for a site called crashdamage that is selling an $82 Model D? The as looks like many other slightly sketchy discount fb ads, it uses the stock model d photos and copy, but it never specifically refers to the item as a Behringer Model D. Anyhow, I ordered one, curiosity got the better of me. Anyone else bought one?

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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by SyndieBot2000XL » Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:40 pm

I’m gonna go out on a limb and file this one under “if it seems too good to be true, it probably is”.
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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by nateflanigan » Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:23 pm

It's gotta be

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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by 3hands » Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:06 pm

Very interested to see what you get in the mail!!
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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by nateflanigan » Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:12 pm

Very interested to see what you get in the mail!!
ME TOO! Box of rocks? A broken Model D? A Boringer Medle Dee? Nothing?

I'll definitely let y'all know.

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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by lisa » Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:45 pm

Nothing, of course. Very few scammers actually bother to send out a box of rocks. :miley:
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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by EPTC » Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:31 pm

nateflanigan wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:05 pm
a site called crashdamage
Are you sure that's the name of the store, or the URL? I look up that name and don't find anything on google.

Here's an example from conductivelabs on these kinds of fake ads: https://conductivelabs.com/scams/

My own experience is that these are always scams. Maybe google the URL or name of the site, with the word "scam" and see if there's any hits.

( for example, "crashdamage site scam" - though I don't see that, but are you sure it was 'crashdamage'? )

Not to be alarmist, but keep track of your credit card statements, too. Or enjoy a cheap synth if it arrives!

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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by Dragonaut » Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:55 pm

I also have an 82 dollar Model D if you are looking for a second one.
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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by nateflanigan » Sun Jan 05, 2020 5:06 pm

Are you sure that's the name of the store
Here's the url
https://crashdamage.top/products/synthesizer

Before ordering I did as much due diligence as possible, like googling "crashdamage scam" and anything else I could think of. I found nothing, nothing good nothing bad. I'm not naive, I'm generally skeptical of everything, like I said, this time my curiosity got the better of me, it happens sometimes. I'm definitely am not saying it's not a scam. Interestingly I haven't been charged yet.
My own experience is that these are always scams.
Do you have direct experience with something like this?
Very few scammers actually bother to send out a box of rocks. :miley:
I mean of course, that'd be totally absurd.
I also have an 82 dollar Model D if you are looking for a second one.
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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by veets » Sun Jan 05, 2020 5:13 pm

Doesn't sound like much of a risk, economically speaking. Looking forward to learning how you make out.

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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by EPTC » Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:40 pm

nateflanigan wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 5:06 pm
Here's the url
https://crashdamage.top/products/synthesizer

Before ordering I did as much due diligence as possible, like googling
Hey man, cool - I appreciate that - you might be right that you're onto a good deal on a company just starting.

Presently though, I'd be wary of how little actually shows up for a search. For example: https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ACY ... CAo&uact=5 - That's a google search for just "crashdamage.top" - which returns just three results, all three being directly related to the site itself.

A sitewide search shows even less: https://www.google.com/search?q=site:cr ... 21&bih=753

No google presence for an e-commerce site? No outside traffic pointing to them? No extras like product pages showing up in the index listing? That's nuts - Any e-commerce site will flood a search response to gain customers and pack on metadata for SEO traffic, etc.

There's no google results for "https:// crashdamage.top/products/synthesizer" (I'm not clicking the link to prevent any cookies on my machine, and I'd suggest a scan of any computer that does click the link) - but it suggests google might've already flagged it as a dishonest site.

Additionally, https://www.whois.com/whois/crashdamage.top shows it's just two months old in terms of registration and the owner being a registry. A real company will update and modify the whois for legitimacy purposes.

Also, you mention you saw the advertisement on Facebook, which should have been a promoted post from a real company. There's no results on facebook, either: https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=crashdamage.top - The first thing you should always do with a facebook ad is visit the facebook page for the company itself. People will vouch for it there if there's a real product, or rate it as dishonest ... or at the very least there should be a page there.

Where is the facebook page for the promoted advertisement? Do you have that facebook ad bookmarked? If there's no public page for the company that can mean it either got flagged or never existed. You might want to check with facebook about the ad if you're curious. CrashDamage should have a facebook page.

All of this is to say I'd love to be incorrect here and any deal like this should always be purchased with a credit card number you don't mind having stolen. Hopefully you went with a disposable gift card or prepaid one-off credit card (I take chances the same as you, just don't connect it to my bank account or credit) or maybe you used a paypal account.

Genuine follow-up question: Do they have a customer service phone number you can confirm the order with, or did you receive an email saying the purchase had gone through? It's even more peculiar you haven't been charged yet, suggesting a charge might occur out of the blue some months from now. I'd love to be incorrect on this, but this is just the sort of thing I'd check before I gave an unknown business my credit information. There's a ton more than ripping you off of $90 that can happen.

In terms of $90 minimoogs, I value the idea but I'd stick to reverb or ebay, or very disposable prepaid credit cards.

(all said since you asked for feedback on top of the post)

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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by rew_ » Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:59 pm

I agree this is probably a scam / not real but
EPTC wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:40 pm
There's no google results for "https:// crashdamage.top/products/synthesizer" (I'm not clicking the link to prevent any cookies on my machine, and I'd suggest a scan of any computer that does click the link)
lol dude open an incognito window
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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by papz » Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:30 pm

Did you pay via paypal to make a refund possible if you don't get what you paid for ?
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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by franman69 » Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:29 pm

I actually saw this ad yesterday. I ended up 'buying' another too-good-to-be-true deal on that site. I immediately knew it was a mistake. I went to paypal to try and cancel the transaction. The user was all chinese characters with no email in the id link as there normally is. I found an email reference in the confirmation email (they actually sent a confirmation email about my order) and tried mailing them.. No response yet. I also opened a "case" at paypal. I am 100% sure this site (crashdamage.top) is a chinese scam even though I can't find any references to this specific site. I feel stupid for giving into the greed of considering the risk. It was a $99 purchase (which I can afford to get burned on) but putting you information, paypal, credit car, out there for a almost certain scam is just stupid. I guess we will both see what happens.

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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by nateflanigan » Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:42 pm

Did you pay via paypal to make a refund possible if you don't get what you paid for ?
Paypal wasn't an option during checkout. I have a bank account (and a pp account) that I use for online transactions that may be a little sketchy.
The first thing you should always do with a facebook ad is visit the facebook page for the company itself. People will vouch for it there if there's a real product, or rate it as dishonest ... or at the very least there should be a page there.
It was a sponsored ad and I did click through and looked at their fb page, I have the product saved and the url for their page saved. I don't imagine I'll get anywhere trying to get a refund, I accepted this as part of the risk.
Genuine follow-up question: Do they have a customer service phone number you can confirm the order with, or did you receive an email saying the purchase had gone through? It's even more peculiar you haven't been charged yet, suggesting a charge might occur out of the blue some months from now. I'd love to be incorrect on this, but this is just the sort of thing I'd check before I gave an unknown business my credit information. There's a ton more than ripping you off of $90 that can happen.

In terms of $90 minimoogs, I value the idea but I'd stick to reverb or ebay, or very disposable prepaid credit cards.

(all said since you asked for feedback on top of the post)
I haven't seen a customer service number, I have received an order confirmation email and even an email stating it has shipped. And I'm glad you're responding, the point of posting about this was to talk about it.

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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by dubonaire » Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:40 pm

Quite a few similar sites have exactly the same text you posted.

But maybe these came out of the backdoor of Behringer's factory.

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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by thetwlo » Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:50 pm

heh! just look at the "about us" and select any block of text(without "crashdamage") and google it! Endless results of other scam sites.
https://crashdamage.top/about-us/

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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by EPTC » Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:25 am

rew_ wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:59 pm
lol dude open an incognito window
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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by lisa » Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:29 am

We saw a big one like this in Sweden 10 years ago. The site was called teknikboom.se. They even managed to buy ads in some big papers (on credit) and the concept was exactly the same; super cheap stuff, generous return policy (:roll:) and only bank transfer options. There where even rumors that someone got their order (however, my guess is the the scammers planted that rumour by pretending to be satisfied customers).

Simply put, this is a scam and you won’t get anything. If someone got hold of cheap Behringer surplus Model Ds they would sell that stock to some established retailer or something like that (which happend when Hartmann didn’t pay the chineese factory building the Neuron VS and the factory subsequently sold the stock to musicstore.de). They would not set up some online shop just to unload the stock piece by piece at a price much lower than it needs to be.
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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by rowsbywoof » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:12 am

That is the most non legit looking site I’ve visited in a long time. Best of luck, really. Would be a good deal if you get a Boog for $82, but I have a feeling if anything is on its way to you it’s a weird Boog clone, which is a bit like Inception, so if you see a spinning top somewhere right now, you know what’s up.

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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by Voltcontrol » Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:21 am

lisa wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:45 pm
Nothing, of course. Very few scammers actually bother to send out a box of rocks. :miley:
Never mind scammers.
It'd be an awesame way to make a buck.
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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by wickfut » Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:36 am

If you click the "contact us" link and it doesn't come up with any sort of address, walk away.

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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by GuyaGuy » Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:05 pm

wickfut wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:36 am
If you click the "contact us" link and it doesn't come up with any sort of address, walk away.
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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by dubonaire » Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:55 pm

lisa wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:29 am
Simply put, this is a scam and you won’t get anything. If someone got hold of cheap Behringer surplus Model Ds they would sell that stock to some established retailer or something like that (which happend when Hartmann didn’t pay the chineese factory building the Neuron VS and the factory subsequently sold the stock to musicstore.de). They would not set up some online shop just to unload the stock piece by piece at a price much lower than it needs to be.
Not that I don't suspect it's a scam, but the shop has all sorts of goods for sale not just the Model D. I don't think you can be specific about how people will try to sell stolen goods. My comment was really just a throwaway comment anyway.
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Re: $82 "Model D"

Post by Just me » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:51 pm

Contact your bank.
Have them give you ALL the history to your account. Not just what you see on the app.
Scammers will do a .01 charge and refund to see if it is a legit account. Then they might do a .25 charge and refund.
Then just nail the account and disappears.
The bank doesn't notify of an unusual charge as it is someone you have had "multiple" transactions with.
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