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paranoidmoonduck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:10 pmI think I'd prefer if Behringer spurred innovation by using their considerable resources to...um...innovate.
Pretending like their business behavior has positive second order effects when they could just be doing that themselves is a very weird stance to take.
I don't own Maths. And I don't think I'd call it a copy cat because it does indeed put an original spin on the Serge and Buchla designs. I think there's a pretty big difference between a "copy cat," and a "copy cat mashup," because those "mashup" bits are original contributions. It expands upon a design rather than trying to replicate it exactly, like a copy cat does.
Making a cheaper mousetrap is as much of an innovation as making a better one.paranoidmoonduck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:10 pmI think I'd prefer if Behringer spurred innovation by using their considerable resources to...um...innovate.
Then don't ever buy anything other than vintage Buchla. Moog copied Buchla (the sequencer), Arp copied Moog (and were sued for it), Octave copied Arp (and were sued for it), Roland copied Moog and Hammond, Sequential Circuits copied PPG and Korg (even copied waveforms of the front panel of the korg), Make Noise copied Buchla and now everybody copies Mutable.
ARP did most certainly not copy Moog. And they were not sued by Moog. They made a copy of a Moog ladder filter to include on a synth where almost every other design decision was as different from Moog as they could make it.
Besides an SP-404 and and an MF-104, I’ve never owned anything from those companies. And to repeat, I think there’s a difference between a clone/copy cat and those makers that put an original spin/make a significant contribution to the original design, or combine elements from other designs to create something original.coolshirtdotjpg wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:35 amThen don't ever buy anything other than vintage Buchla. Moog copied Buchla (the sequencer), Arp copied Moog (and were sued for it), Octave copied Arp (and were sued for it), Roland copied Moog and Hammond, Sequential Circuits copied PPG and Korg (even copied waveforms of the front panel of the korg), Make Noise copied Buchla and now everybody copies Mutable.
It worked for the Empire.
Yes, ARP copied the ladder filter in their 1006 module for the 2500. But you left out the fact that moog copied ARP's patented 2 voice KBD. And you fell victim to the myth that either one sued the other over this. They both recognized their own fault and turned the other cheek.
see above.
You may want to look into what Dave Rossum -who is a poster boy for creative and innovative- and Scott Wedge did when -in the middle of betting their company's future on a very expensive thing called the Audity, received news from Dave Smith -of Prophet5 and MIDI fame- let them know he was no longer going to pay royalties on their polyphonic IP. Essentially stealing from them.
KSS wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:47 pmYou may want to look into what Dave Rossum -who is a poster boy for creative and innovative- and Scott Wedge did when -in the middle of betting their company's future on a very expensive thing called the Audity, received news from Dave Smith -of Prophet5 and MIDI fame- let them know he was no longer going to pay royalties on their polyphonic IP. Essentially stealing from them.
That DP Rossum's response was to go in a completely new direction and bring us the Emulator disagrees with your comment.
And he's not alone.
Many creative people "suddenly become innovative/inspired because someone stole their work." it's one of the best responses a creative person can do.
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This of course explains the arp clone in eurorack “The Post Lawsuit Filter” made from the redesign Arp made after they were threatened with a lawsuit.