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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by naos » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:08 am

would have gladly paid 200 bucks more for something that doesn't look horrendous. but I could say that with virtually every behringer synth

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by mwvm » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:33 am

I'm tempted.

The people that moan about behringer are either competing against behringer on a micro scale or pretentious people with too much money who love the attention they get from their expensive toys. And for anyone moaning about behringer using cheap parts - mate you want see how DIY cloners stretch their margins with the nastiest, dirt cheap components!!! I'd never in a million years buy a handmade clone or DIY unless I was sourcing the parts.

I feel for the genuine SMEs out there who cannot compete against the price. They have to reevaluate their business model to get better USPs. Make noise nail it with their brand.
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by mgscheue » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:46 am

mwvm wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:33 am

The people that moan about behringer are either competing against behringer on a micro scale or pretentious people with too much money who love the attention they get from their expensive toys.
No other possibilities? I’m tempted as well but that’s an unsupported over-simplification.

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:59 am

mgscheue wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:46 am
mwvm wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:33 am

The people that moan about behringer are either competing against behringer on a micro scale or pretentious people with too much money who love the attention they get from their expensive toys.
No other possibilities? I’m tempted as well but that’s an unsupported over-simplification.
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by mwvm » Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:42 am

It's my view point.

As a customer, it is all about the perceived value of the commodity.

The consumer makes that choice based on perception of exchange value or experiential value. Often these two things are the same thing.

There's must haves in life but there's commodities that fed people's own egos. Why else would people buy ferraris? When it goes well beyond legal speed limits?
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:55 am

mwvm wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:42 am
There's must haves in life but there's commodities that fed people's own egos. Why else would people buy ferraris? When it goes well beyond legal speed limits?
Im not sure every person that buys a ferrari does it to feed their ego. most people that buy ferraris do so because they can afford it and because they are absolutely sick AF in every possible way. we all cant buy ferraris just like we all cant buy OG 2600s, so most of us end up with hondas or behringers. either way, can’t lose.

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by phesago » Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:38 am

Can bitching about behringer in behringer threads have the same rule as BST? Like dont be douche, no one wants to hear the same tired troupe that is your "opinion"? Like it would be nice if it ever added anything new to the conversation, but it never does. Its always the same crap. Let people enjoy things if theyre into it.
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by 3hands » Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:55 am

phesago wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:38 am
Can bitching about behringer in behringer threads have the same rule as BST? Like dont be douche, no one wants to hear the same tired troupe that is your "opinion"? Like it would be nice if it ever added anything new to the conversation, but it never does. Its always the same crap. Let people enjoy things if theyre into it.
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by 3hands » Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:56 am

Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:55 am
mwvm wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:42 am
There's must haves in life but there's commodities that fed people's own egos. Why else would people buy ferraris? When it goes well beyond legal speed limits?
Im not sure every person that buys a ferrari does it to feed their ego. most people that buy ferraris do so because they can afford it and because they are absolutely sick AF in every possible way. we all cant buy ferraris just like we all cant buy OG 2600s, so most of us end up with hondas or behringers. either way, can’t lose.


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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by KSS » Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:12 am

mwvm wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:33 am
The people that moan about behringer are either competing against behringer on a micro scale or pretentious people with too much money who love the attention they get from their expensive toys. And for anyone moaning about behringer using cheap parts
I'd like to ask you to have a look at the current posts in the Behringer 55 module thread. Where you'll see honest, solid, informed real-world investigation of exactly why people feel that Behringer is letting us down. I assure you it has nothing to do with your quote above. Do you have the guts to challenge your erroneous conclusion? <--IMO
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And I agree with you that many DIY builders are using poor parts. But using that to excuse Behringer making the same mistake is a poor argument.
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I guess not everyone realizes MW *does* have a thread specifically for Behringer complaints. It's worked well to -mostly- contain the over-the-top and repetitive complaining.

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by Ricochet » Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:59 am

naos wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:08 am
would have gladly paid 200 bucks more for something that doesn't look horrendous. but I could say that with virtually every behringer synth
You could always say that to everyone and everything and at all ... :despair:

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by Ricochet » Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:10 pm

Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:55 am


Im not sure every person that buys a ferrari does it to feed their ego. most people that buy ferraris do so because they can afford it and because they are absolutely sick AF in every possible way. we all cant buy ferraris just like we all cant buy OG 2600s, so most of us end up with hondas or behringers. either way, can’t lose.

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I don't want to go into here about why people buy a Ferrari or some other luxury sled - those who can afford it ... wouldn't have to buy it (for the sake of the environment)
But those who can't afford it and still buy it in other ways (leasing) and pump up grandma at home just to dazzle or put on a show ...
They are for :goatse:
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by xonetacular » Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:17 pm

mwvm wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:33 am
And for anyone moaning about behringer using cheap parts - mate you want see how DIY cloners stretch their margins with the nastiest, dirt cheap components!!! I'd never in a million years buy a handmade clone or DIY unless I was sourcing the parts.
Idk what you’re talking about but this is not true at all for a lot of the experienced builders here. Sure there are some sketchy builders but this is not a hard rule and many source all quality parts from mouser and the like. In many cases they are using better quality parts than in mass manufactured synths

That’s also an interesting statement to make when you offer building services in your sig...

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:23 pm

KSS wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:12 am
I guess not everyone realizes MW *does* have a thread specifically for Behringer complaints. It's worked well to -mostly- contain the over-the-top and repetitive complaining.
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:26 pm

Ricochet wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:10 pm
Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:55 am


Im not sure every person that buys a ferrari does it to feed their ego. most people that buy ferraris do so because they can afford it and because they are absolutely sick AF in every possible way. we all cant buy ferraris just like we all cant buy OG 2600s, so most of us end up with hondas or behringers. either way, can’t lose.

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I don't want to go into here about why people buy a Ferrari or some other luxury sled - those who can afford it ... wouldn't have to buy it (for the sake of the environment)
But those who can't afford it and still buy it in other ways (leasing) and pump up grandma at home just to dazzle or put on a show ...
They are for :goatse:
im not even sure i follow tbh
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by mgscheue » Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:40 pm

:despair: Maybe some people like nice cars?

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:00 pm

mgscheue wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:40 pm
:despair: Maybe some people like nice cars?
exactly
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by Nightly Closures » Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:23 pm

Please keep the crap to the crap thread. Thanks.

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by mritenburg » Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:26 pm

chiasticon wrote:
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yeah I agree it's hard to put any LED colors with the black/orange and have it look good. I think sticking with just one LED color throughout would've been better.
If I buy a Barp 2600, I’ll probably cover the LEDs with the white version of these
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by 6667 » Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:50 pm

haven't really been following these behringer reissues but just saw the pricetag/heard demos of this-- behringer is absolutely killing it

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by galanter2 » Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:55 pm

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Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:02 am
The synthtopia site lists these specs which raise questions. (They do say preliminary and subject to change. But these look to me like enhancement ideas that didn't make it into the final product.)

"Multi-mode VCF with dedicated low-pass output with additional switched high/notch output"
No sign of high/notch in the photo, and not on original.

"Range of modules including ring modulator, lag processor, sample & hold, Schmitt trigger and envelope follower"
Schmitt trigger not in photo and not on original.

"2 dedicated LFOs with pulse and sine wave outputs"
2 LFOs only if you include the S&H clock as an LFO, I suppose, but it doesn't have a sine output.

"Switched Post Filter Distortion (PFD) / Inverter option on voltage processor"
PFD? Where?

https://www.synthtopia.com/content/2020 ... n-for-599/
Here is another article noting the same extended features mentioned above. As KSS noted these are found on the CMS 2607.

Are they both working from the same flawed press release, or is something else involved?

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by mwvm » Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:55 pm

xonetacular wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:17 pm
mwvm wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:33 am
And for anyone moaning about behringer using cheap parts - mate you want see how DIY cloners stretch their margins with the nastiest, dirt cheap components!!! I'd never in a million years buy a handmade clone or DIY unless I was sourcing the parts.
Idk what you’re talking about but this is not true at all for a lot of the experienced builders here. Sure there are some sketchy builders but this is not a hard rule and many source all quality parts from mouser and the like. In many cases they are using better quality parts than in mass manufactured synths

That’s also an interesting statement to make when you offer building services in your sig...
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by mckenic » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:47 pm

Can the leds be a single solid colour?

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by KSS » Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:54 am

Sure. These sliders all use the same size rectnagular LED. Pull it out and replace. Easily done by anyone.

The issue arises if the mfr has set different current or voltage levels for their LED colors. Because different colors of LED have different requirements. it's usually only a resistor change at worst and a trim adjustment at best. The TTSH build threads have plenty of examples.

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by lisa » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:58 am

Serious question regarding the 2600 as a very hyped synth: why? With todays standards and expectations and with the boom of eurorack, what does the 2600 bring to the table? The Barp 2600 will be cheap so that's one thing but so are all of the Behringer synths. What's special about the 2600?
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