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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by minimalist » Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:07 am

3hands wrote:
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Everyone these days is hearing without listening. Also talking without saying a bloody thing.
Argh, this is a pet hate of mine. I have a colleague who can spend an hour talking while saying nothing. She arranged an hour meeting with me to tell why she was too busy to provide 5 minutes assistance with a problem my team was having. I cut the meeting off after 10 mins and told her we would take the remaining 50 minutes in assistance. Didn't go down very well. :bang:

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Re: Behringer 2600

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minimalist wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:07 am
3hands wrote:
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Everyone these days is hearing without listening. Also talking without saying a bloody thing.
Argh, this is a pet hate of mine. I have a colleague who can spend an hour talking while saying nothing. She arranged an hour meeting with me to tell why she was too busy to provide 5 minutes assistance with a problem my team was having. I cut the meeting off after 10 mins and told her we would take the remaining 50 minutes in assistance. Didn't go down very well. :bang:
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by doombient.music » Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:56 pm

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by dml » Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:39 pm

dgl wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:51 am
QSG for the 2600 has low been uploaded, and contains something quite interesting in the reverb section.
NOTE: 2600 uses a digital reverb, while BLUE MARVIN features a real, on-board spring reverb
https://mediadl.musictribe.com/media/PL ... QSG_EN.pdf

Looks like there will be another version of the 2600 with a real spring!, I would guess it has the blue Marvin paint job too.
Just downloaded and read the manual and that is exactly how I read it...an alternate version of the design, called the Blue Marvin, with an actual spring reverb.
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by dml » Tue Nov 03, 2020 5:57 pm

Just finished reading the manual and there are some curious mistakes: triangle waves ID'd as sawtooth, bad description of how the Frequency Sliders work, descriptions of non-existent 'blending' capabilities (particularly with the Envelope Follower and Ring Mod sections). Who's doing the proof-reading??
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by Blairio » Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:13 pm

dml wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 5:57 pm
Just finished reading the manual and there are some curious mistakes: triangle waves ID'd as sawtooth, bad description of how the Frequency Sliders work, descriptions of non-existent 'blending' capabilities (particularly with the Envelope Follower and Ring Mod sections). Who's doing the proof-reading??
Interesting. I have just finished reading the manual for my Nord A1 lead. Amongst other errors & omissions: at one point it seems there were 100 programmes per bank ( not 50), and to get from programme 1:1 to 8:50, you just need to keep turning an encoder until it wears out. In reality, you press shift and scroll through banks 1 to 8 and then move around the programmes in each bank.

The point is that even the the best of brands can have blind spots when it comes to manuals.

To be clear, I own both Nord and Behringer products.

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by Voltcontrol » Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:52 am

Blairio wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:13 pm
dml wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 5:57 pm
Just finished reading the manual and there are some curious mistakes: triangle waves ID'd as sawtooth, bad description of how the Frequency Sliders work, descriptions of non-existent 'blending' capabilities (particularly with the Envelope Follower and Ring Mod sections). Who's doing the proof-reading??
Interesting. I have just finished reading the manual for my Nord A1 lead. Amongst other errors & omissions: at one point it seems there were 100 programmes per bank ( not 50), and to get from programme 1:1 to 8:50, you just need to keep turning an encoder until it wears out. In reality, you press shift and scroll through banks 1 to 8 and then move around the programmes in each bank.

The point is that even the the best of brands can have blind spots when it comes to manuals.

To be clear, I own both Nord and Behringer products.
Not sure how it works in the music gear industry, but first hand observations in the software sector shows that content writers are squeezed hard to produce as many words per minute as possible. Quality obviously suffers.
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by Blairio » Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:56 am

Voltcontrol wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:52 am
Blairio wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:13 pm
dml wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 5:57 pm
Just finished reading the manual and there are some curious mistakes: triangle waves ID'd as sawtooth, bad description of how the Frequency Sliders work, descriptions of non-existent 'blending' capabilities (particularly with the Envelope Follower and Ring Mod sections). Who's doing the proof-reading??
Interesting. I have just finished reading the manual for my Nord A1 lead. Amongst other errors & omissions: at one point it seems there were 100 programmes per bank ( not 50), and to get from programme 1:1 to 8:50, you just need to keep turning an encoder until it wears out. In reality, you press shift and scroll through banks 1 to 8 and then move around the programmes in each bank.

The point is that even the the best of brands can have blind spots when it comes to manuals.

To be clear, I own both Nord and Behringer products.
Not sure how it works in the music gear industry, but first hand observations in the software sector shows that content writers are squeezed hard to produce as many words per minute as possible. Quality obviously suffers.
I agree. my point was that errors & omissions in documentation are to the sole preserve of one brand or another. It is a common theme.

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:07 am

dml wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 5:57 pm
Just finished reading the manual and there are some curious mistakes: triangle waves ID'd as sawtooth, bad description of how the Frequency Sliders work, descriptions of non-existent 'blending' capabilities (particularly with the Envelope Follower and Ring Mod sections). Who's doing the proof-reading??
you ever read an old Roland manual?
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by doombient.music » Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:21 am

Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:07 am
dml wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 5:57 pm
Just finished reading the manual and there are some curious mistakes: triangle waves ID'd as sawtooth, bad description of how the Frequency Sliders work, descriptions of non-existent 'blending' capabilities (particularly with the Envelope Follower and Ring Mod sections). Who's doing the proof-reading??
you ever read an old Roland manual?
Hah!

Try an original PPG manual, translated into English -- this is where the real fun begins.

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by mmp » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:06 pm

The Roland SBX-80 being the king of all opaque manuals.

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by dgl » Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:01 pm

Although "Chinglish" and "Japanglish" manuals are fun to read, bigclive gets a lot of Chinese crap and the manuals are usually the best bit.
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by 3hands » Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:31 am

I remember many years ago working for a music store and a church had ordered a Roland Digital Piano (perhaps an FP8?) I sold it to the Vicar, and helped him put it in his car. An hour or so later he shows up and my first thought is “well this isn’t good”. He didn’t have the piano with him, only the manual. He came in and had a grin on his face. He showed me the manual. There is a part where you have to screw the legs into the bottom of the piano, but whoever did the translation, translated it literally, and it came out as “fuck the legs into the piano”. Needless to say I died. Thankfully he was cool.
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by dgl » Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:54 pm

3hands wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:31 am
I remember many years ago working for a music store and a church had ordered a Roland Digital Piano (perhaps an FP8?) I sold it to the Vicar, and helped him put it in his car. An hour or so later he shows up and my first thought is “well this isn’t good”. He didn’t have the piano with him, only the manual. He came in and had a grin on his face. He showed me the manual. There is a part where you have to screw the legs into the bottom of the piano, but whoever did the translation, translated it literally, and it came out as “fuck the legs into the piano”. Needless to say I died. Thankfully he was cool.
You know we now have to find said manual, I have found the manual for the FP8 but that does not go into detail about fitting the stand, and looking for a manual for the FPS8 stand there are no matches :-(
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by galanter2 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:08 pm

FWIW someone with hands on access measured the sliders on a B2600 and they are 45mm. I had estimated 50mm from photo measurements and extrapolation.

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by Chopper » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:40 pm




I find it subtly different, but then again I wasn't using my OG 2600 for that type of sounds back in the days, although the last bit is rather tasty ...

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by a100user » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:56 am

And another


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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by grizzleb » Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:10 am

Sound of the raw oscillators in those demos sounds great, once the modulation starts to increase it starts to sound a little bit messier and not a good way. But I think that's down to programming rather than the device itself... Will defo think about picking one up next year I think

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by dml » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:49 pm

The second demo is much more reminiscent of a 2600 or, at least, how I used to work with them.
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by Voltcontrol » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:58 pm

a100user wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:56 am
And another


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Lol @ Blue Monday

I quite like what I’m hearing so far.
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by SunPulse » Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:31 am

Tempting! But I want to see if the KARP 2600 Mini actually comes to market. If it does then I will probably go for the KARP.
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by thetwlo » Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:49 am

it's kinda weird that they can copy the synth, but they'd run into major legal issues if the copied the original manual.

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by Voltcontrol » Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:01 am

thetwlo wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:49 am
it's kinda weird that they can copy the synth, but they'd run into major legal issues if the copied the original manual.
Not having to write manuals for their product might just turn a few more folks into Product Pirates.
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by Tim_mop1 » Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:09 am

Sounds good! although I'm not sure it sounds "right".. Reverb's way too clean for a start.

It'll def be a fun synth I'm sure, it all depends on the price point right?

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by kons » Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:17 am

yes... that reverb stinks...they could have stuck a bbd delay in with some mod inputs... that would have enhanced the sound palette, avoided the cost of a real spring tank (which is apparently why they went digital verb) and kept it all analog...

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