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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by KSS » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:15 am

seta666 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:34 am
The important thing is the sound engine, and I think that sounds ace.
Do you have 2600 experience? The point you're missing -and at least what I was sharing- is that on a 2600 the spring reverb *is* part of the "sound engine".

edit: people without direct 2600 experience, who see a reverb as something you put at the 'end' of the sound chain, will miss the point. Reverbs get a *lot* more interesting and useful when they're not contrained to after-the-fact position in the flow. In a 2600, the spring and it's freq dependent and non-uniform response, and other peculiarities are key to its stellar reputation. Especially when used within the chain, instead of only the end./edit
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by KSS » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:32 am

galanter2 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:17 am
If they had to use a digital reverb, how about a DSP running a convolution reverb using impulses with the original 2600 spring reverb, and a push button to cycle through some other spring reverbs, and a few classic plate reverbs while they were at it?
Yes. This was exactly my point. That Behringer should have used their considerable in-house existing products and teams to find or create a more reasonable equivalent to the tsnk they'd removed. In the bigger picture, this is -for me, and I'd bet quite a few others too- one of the more frustrating things about Behringer's entry into the synth market. They are better positioned and capable to make something really good to replace that missing tank, but they're instead seemingly choosing not to do so.

It's like a top-level programmer choosing to re-use crap code somebody else wrote instead of doing the kind of work she or he can do. We know the talent, means and resources are available to Uli to do this part right.

But just as we see in the re-use of effects and sequencer section across several of the smaller modules -all of which therefore work with the Synthtool app- Uli's choice to leverage the same unit gives way to what's possible and desirable.
thermisonic wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:29 am
Sounds costly to develop, at least in Behringer terms
Right. Why bother when you're going to sell as many as you make without doing the work?

And the answer is: Because Uli told us this was his passion project. Uli Behringer, i'm asking you to take your passion for classic synths and make this reverb more like the one it replaces. The 2600 legacy you've chosen to inherit deserves no less.

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by Kattefjaes » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:23 am

seta666 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:34 am
People like complaining, that is obvious.
You do not like the reverb? Add one that suits your needs..
You want to mic those small crappy speakers? There is lots of small computer speakers to choose from.
They were small. They weren't, however, necessarily crappy, more characteristic. Kinda missing the point here.

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by StillNotWorking » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:57 am

We are so custom to large spring tanks to decouple and screen all the parts. But are the tank actually needed? Aren't that design from a time when it were developed for guitar cabinets in wood with large speakers and tube amp transformers to interfere?

Would it be enough to screen the pick-up section and have the spring and actuator mounted direcly to the chassis with silicone o-rings? If so space shouldn't be much of a problem.
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by mdoudoroff » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:20 pm

Just sharing this mockup for giggles… assuming the Behringer 2600 is designed for a 19" rack, I believe this is a fairly accurate size comparison:
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by KSS » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:39 pm

mdoudoroff wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:20 pm
Just sharing this mockup for giggles… assuming the Behringer 2600 is designed for a 19" rack, I believe this is a fairly accurate size comparison:
Nice. Yes, looks correct. Both panels measure correctly. 19"w x 14"h for the B2600, and 29.9"w x 15.5"h for the Korg and OG Black Orange 2600s.

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by KSS » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:42 pm

StillNotWorking wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:57 am
We are so custom to large spring tanks to decouple and screen all the parts. But are the tank actually needed? Aren't that design from a time when it were developed for guitar cabinets in wood with large speakers and tube amp transformers to interfere?

Would it be enough to screen the pick-up section and have the spring and actuator mounted direcly to the chassis with silicone o-rings? If so space shouldn't be much of a problem.
Buchla Easel has shown that the tank enclosure can be eliminated. But also that it comes with its own set of problems.

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by gentle_attack » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:53 pm

mdoudoroff wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:20 pm
Just sharing this mockup for giggles… assuming the Behringer 2600 is designed for a 19" rack, I believe this is a fairly accurate size comparison:

2020-02-12 at 4.18 PM.jpg
This is a good thing because there are already tons of TTSH floating around plus the Korg version coming soon, no?
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by mdoudoroff » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:59 pm

The photo composite is the Behringer 2600 up top, and the Karp 2600 below (the latter is virtually identical to a vintage 2600).

I suspect the Behringer 2600 will not do nice things to the resale value of the TTSHs.

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by thetwlo » Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:55 pm

Likely already said about the spring reverb:
They are noisy, and vary greatly based on location. I'm sure they don't want that customer support nightmare and all the returns... due to this hum.
Also, I don't think Behringer makes any spring reverbs, so that's buying from another vendor which they try to avoid.
The reverb is a huge part of the 2600, more so than the speakers as many don't use those anyway. But for a compact rackmount version, you probably need to drop the springs. BUT no need to add shitty digital fx, that makes it a pro-sumer type toy, and kills and any "clone" thing ... add some more VCAs or a simple BBD delay/reverb.
Their V-verb pro was great, but even that has no place in an analogue synth.
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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by Voltcontrol » Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:45 am



I could spare :75: for this. Definitely like the form factor and think I'll like the sound irl. Wish they'd stuck with one colour of leds, but quite useful that it has them. Hoping that they can be dimmed.

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by Shledge » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:02 am

They can be dimmed or turned off.

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by galanter2 » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:08 pm

Has a price been set for this thing yet? Either rumored or official?

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by thetwlo » Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:06 pm

galanter2 wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:08 pm
Has a price been set for this thing yet? Either rumored or official?
I'll guess $699 to $799USD msrp.

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Re: Behringer 2600

Post by (((EMP))) » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:17 pm

Barp 2600 sounds really nice to me. So glad the dude from AMSynths is involved in the project. I’m not overly concerned about the spring reverb. I’ve actually got a bunch of nice spring reverbs already. The form factor is the real selling point for me. Love the rack design. Great job from Behringer and the team. :yay:

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