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Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

Post by blw » Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:33 pm

Stumbled onto this on fb. Some of the stuff they are doing is really fun. The Prophet 600 is such an underated gem of a poly. The original is still a steal at $1500-ish in my opinion, but the membrane interface looks cute like the 500 series AMS RMX16 and similarly kind of makes me want this module just for its looks. Doesn't hurt that the Pro-1 spacing and styling makes it feel like the most usable of their modules to me. I guess a benefit of their 1:1 copying of someone else's layout is that you don't have to cope with their crappy design instincts.

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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

Post by kcearl » Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:41 pm

Looks great, glad they're keeping it in the desktop format.

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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

Post by tenembre » Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:42 pm

Looks to be Neutron-sized. (Note the little daughterboard, just like the Neutron). An 8-voice poly in that size would be pretty useful.

Unlikely to have microtuning support, so not of much use to me personally.

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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

Post by GuyaGuy » Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:33 pm

Apparently they hired the guy behind the GliGli mods so imagine this will include some of those features.

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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

Post by SteeVtheRipper » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:34 am

Always liked the sound of the 600. Can’t wait to hear a comparison.

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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

Post by beyourdog » Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:08 am

SteeVtheRipper wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:34 am
Always liked the sound of the 600. Can’t wait to hear a comparison.
Really? Even the stepping on the filter? Quite dark sounding I found, not bad, but would be great to have a Prophet 5 clone instead...

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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

Post by Analog Prophet » Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:53 am

beyourdog wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:08 am
SteeVtheRipper wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:34 am
Always liked the sound of the 600. Can’t wait to hear a comparison.
Really? Even the stepping on the filter? Quite dark sounding I found, not bad, but would be great to have a Prophet 5 clone instead...
I have no Behringer product as I prefer the originals. But I’m not among the crowd of good people who care more about companies than great sound, sorry, I’m not a such good person. But I must agree to Mr beayourdog, it would be great to have a Prophet 5 (or Prophet 10) clone instead of the great but still step down version of the Prophet 5.
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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

Post by beyourdog » Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:08 am

At the same time, if they re making a prophet 600, they ll probably use this as a template for the P5 later, at least they share the same VCO chips..

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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

Post by syzygywell » Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:35 pm

beyourdog wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:08 am
At the same time, if they re making a prophet 600, they ll probably use this as a template for the P5 later, at least they share the same VCO chips..
One can only hope. I thought the P6 would quell my desire for the P5 but it has not.
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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

Post by Analog Prophet » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:25 am

syzygywell wrote:
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One can only hope. I thought the P6 would quell my desire for the P5 but it has not.
Same here. The factory presets at the P6 isn’t that great, I would say poor, as a tribute to P5. But with some tweaking such poly mod (stretch out the pitch tracking), filter (P6 too bright compared to P5) waveform (try to find pure sawtooth etc instead of something between), detuning (the slop amount), not use the built in chorus, use a very small amount of distortion etc it comes much closer the attitude of P5. With deep diving into the programming I even have come close to my Model D with the P6.
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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

Post by GuyaGuy » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:38 am

beyourdog wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:08 am
Quite dark sounding I found, not bad, but would be great to have a Prophet 5 clone instead...
Analog Prophet wrote:
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filter (P6 too bright compared to P5)
Too dark AND too bright, eh?

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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

Post by RickKleffel » Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:35 am

If it's a Para800 instead of a Poly800?

No thanks.

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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

Post by CalvaryBand » Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:56 am

GuyaGuy wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:38 am
beyourdog wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:08 am
Quite dark sounding I found, not bad, but would be great to have a Prophet 5 clone instead...
Analog Prophet wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:25 am
filter (P6 too bright compared to P5)
Too dark AND too bright, eh?
They were talking about two different synths; the Prophet-600 and the Prophet-6.
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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

Post by Dave Kendall » Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:04 am

RickKleffel wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:35 am
If it's a Para800 instead of a Poly800?

No thanks.
It's quite possibly a full polysynth.
Looking at the lower PCB in the photo in the first post, you can see 8 columns of ICs and components that are the same. I'd wager that they are the 8 voices. It's certainly possible with smd to get a complete synth voice into a space that size.
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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

Post by Voltcontrol » Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:47 am

RickKleffel wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:35 am
If it's a Para800 instead of a Poly800?

No thanks.
Reaaaaaally hoping for a poly at around the 300€ mark.

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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

Post by Kja » Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:19 am

The prophet 5 presets on the prophet 6 sound like the prophet 5, almost identical.. but once you start tweaking it... Well it's a different synth.

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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

Post by coolshirtdotjpg » Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:29 pm

I saw a 600 for $650 listed on craigslist as a "keyboard". I emailed right away but they never wrote back :cry:

This is a weird synth to start with, but I'm sure it will appeal to some folks. Doesn't make me want to sell my Prophet 6 or 12 though.
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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

Post by Analog Prophet » Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:35 am

Prophet 600 is a great synth, no doubt, with the old classic vibe. The new Prophets are great as well, especial the P6, P12 and the Rev2. The new Pro 3 is promising. But still missing a modern P5, hope that’s on Behringer’s list - if not Uncle Dave get the brilliant idea of making a Prophet 5 (rev 2) ReIssue - it would sell even more than the original ever did.
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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

Post by beyourdog » Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:40 am

Analog Prophet wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:35 am
Prophet 600 is a great synth, no doubt, with the old classic vibe. The new Prophets are great as well, especial the P6, P12 and the Rev2. The new Pro 3 is promising. But still missing a modern P5, hope that’s on Behringer’s list - if not Uncle Dave get the brilliant idea of making a Prophet 5 (rev 2) ReIssue - it would sell even more than the original ever did.
The P600 is NOT a great synth, the P5 is, sound is good, the resonance is really musical too on a P5, it has its issues, but overall, the P5 is class.

The P600 was cheaply made, really plastic, with some annoying thimgs like shitty envelops and a very annoying stepping filter, pretty dark too....Funny thing to play, but really second rate...Let’s stop for a minute transforming any vintage piece of shit into some unique and rare thing, because it is not....Anyone remember ordering the P600 plastic membrane to the company who was selling the leftovers parts from Sequentials like 17 years ago??? Indid, and then I got ride of it, not worth it...

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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

Post by ObsoleteModular » Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:07 am

beyourdog wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:40 am
The P600 was cheaply made, really plastic
Sounds perfect for Behringer and if Dave Smith complains they'll just run some kind of childish smear campaign against him

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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

Post by DJMaytag » Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:07 am

beyourdog wrote:
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The P600 is NOT a great synth, the P5 is, sound is good, the resonance is really musical too on a P5, it has its issues, but overall, the P5 is class.
The P600 is not a P5. To compare the two and say one is better than the other misses the point. Unless if you’re one of those gear snobs that collects vintage synths and never actually plays their stuff, then... I guess you’re correct? :despair:

The 600 is indeed a great synth for what it can do, and it’s one I couldn’t bear parting with (I bought mine 25 years ago for $200). It’s not going to be a punchy/snappy sounding synth with its software envelopes, but I have other synths for that. Each synth in my setup fulfills a niche, and the 600 has a great one for me.
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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

Post by DJMaytag » Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:12 am

RickKleffel wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:35 am
If it's a Para800 instead of a Poly800?

No thanks.
Take a close look at the second board. That’s clearly laid out like it has EIGHT full voices. I’m going to guess that’s why they’re calling this a Poly800 instead of a 600.
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Re: Behringer Pro 800, Prophet 600 clone

Post by RickKleffel » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:24 am

DJMaytag wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:12 am

Take a close look at the second board. That’s clearly laid out like it has EIGHT full voices. I’m going to guess that’s why they’re calling this a Poly800 instead of a 600.
Well, I'm no engineer, so I see eight things. I'm admittedly without clue as to whether or not each of those things include two, count 'em, two, oscillators. To me a full voice [for the Prophet 600] includes two oscillators. The Parody "Poly" does not include both oscillators per voice found in the Modeled D. One might suppose Behringer may follow the same path from the Bro One. I've owned a Prophet 600, and it made sounds I've not heard from other synths. I'd love to see a modern desktop. Without the membrane. I intuit the membrane had little to do with the sounds I enjoyed "back in the day". Presumably Behringer will let us know what's on offer in the fullness of time. Even with two oscillators per voice, it could be crippled by stupidity, cheapness, laziness or cheapness, all aspects of other B. gear I've owned. (Model D these days, the snare in my lazy man's drum machine.). It's a wait and see, or as it were, hear proposition.

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