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Wishing Roland would make a Alpha Boutique?

Post by acidbob » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:08 am

I have been thinking about getting a alpha lately, and wondering if it would make sense for Roland to make a alpha boutique?
What do you think?

Are there other good alternatives out there?

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Re: Wishing Roland would make a Alpha Boutique?

Post by flashheart » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:23 am

Alpha Juno? They can still be found for reasonable prices, unless you're worried about reliability of course. Picked up a Juno1 for £260 last year. Not sure if it'd make much sense for Roland to do one, they don't have the same cachet as the 6/60/106.
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Re: Wishing Roland would make a Alpha Boutique?

Post by StillNotWorking » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:40 am

Don't Roland already have a VA for this in some of their other digitals? Or where that only presets named after Juno factory presets?

Personally I don't see the point however, other than to reuse old presets. As already mentioned it were a cost down version of more advanced architectures that you probably can make similar sounds with.
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Re: Wishing Roland would make a Alpha Boutique?

Post by acidbob » Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:00 am

Yeah I guess you guys are right, I was thinking reliability and size - and the fact that maybe it wouldnt take that much work since the others have already been made...

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Re: Wishing Roland would make a Alpha Boutique?

Post by The Goob » Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:12 am

I wouldn't mind seeing it made. To me the AJ has its own sound and is more interesting than the other Junos. It would be pretty cool if they made something that looked like the Reaktiv MPG-50 controller, with dedicated controls for all the parameters.

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Post by exper » Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:35 am

I’d buy it.
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Re: Wishing Roland would make a Alpha Boutique?

Post by booger » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:43 pm

Had the Alpha 2 (w/ PG300) a few years back and didn’t like it. I think they made those in the day when everyone wanted to be digital because it sounded way too clean. The 106 and 60 had far more character IMO. The Alpha did have a long slow LFO which was nice, though.

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Post by PhineasFreak » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:46 pm

was this this thread created just to torture me?

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Re: Wishing Roland would make a Alpha Boutique?

Post by Chopper » Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:24 pm

I'd buy that in a heartbeat. Love the alpha....

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Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:06 pm

id rather see them invest their resources into recreating the JD-800.
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Re: Wishing Roland would make a Alpha Boutique?

Post by Annwn » Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:21 pm

Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:06 pm
id rather see them invest their resources into recreating the JD-800.
This! With the added features of the JD-990 would be great. But not in Boutique format. That'd be worse than the JP8 Boutique for tweezer twiddling tedium. This is where the D-05 excels. There was never much of an interface to begin with so it works perfectly in Boutique format. So perhaps an Alpha Boutique could work. As long as they don't limit it to 4 voices...

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Post by dubonaire » Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:28 pm

There doesn't seem to be any any modeling of this synth at all.

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Re: Wishing Roland would make a Alpha Boutique?

Post by acidbob » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:11 am

4 voices vs. no Alpha boutique would be ok for me :hihi: But I agree.
There are software versions that comes close, but in my daily work I look at a screen 6 hours a day - if I have to work with software it feels like work
One important thing if a recreation was to be made is the bounce that the original has - especially on bass and I think the EG is an important factor as well.

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Re: Wishing Roland would make a Alpha Boutique?

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:34 am

Annwn wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:21 pm
Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:06 pm
id rather see them invest their resources into recreating the JD-800.
This! With the added features of the JD-990 would be great. But not in Boutique format. That'd be worse than the JP8 Boutique for tweezer twiddling tedium. This is where the D-05 excels. There was never much of an interface to begin with so it works perfectly in Boutique format. So perhaps an Alpha Boutique could work. As long as they don't limit it to 4 voices...
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Re: Wishing Roland would make a Alpha Boutique?

Post by Annwn » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:58 pm

Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:34 am
Annwn wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:21 pm
Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:06 pm
id rather see them invest their resources into recreating the JD-800.
This! With the added features of the JD-990 would be great. But not in Boutique format. That'd be worse than the JP8 Boutique for tweezer twiddling tedium. This is where the D-05 excels. There was never much of an interface to begin with so it works perfectly in Boutique format. So perhaps an Alpha Boutique could work. As long as they don't limit it to 4 voices...
Full size JD-800/990 with its own sequencer.
I just realised that's what they attempted with the JDXA. Never paid attention to it as it's design aesthetic reminds me of early 2000's HIFI systems.

Anyway, back to the Alpha. :party:

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Re: Wishing Roland would make a Alpha Boutique?

Post by nthall » Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:42 pm

I used an Alpha 2 as my master keyboard for years. I've been thinking about picking up another one. I miss it. At the prices they go for, I'd get the real deal over one of the boutiques even if they were available. I have space for it though. I didn't when I sold the last one, so I see the appeal of the boutique too.

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Post by coolshirtdotjpg » Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:26 pm

I really wish they wouldn't. You used to be able to get D50s for reasonable prices before the boutique version. My last alpha juno I got for 150 bucks. Sold it a while ago and kind of want to get one again, so I'd prefer roland not make a boutique.
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Re: Wishing Roland would make a Alpha Boutique?

Post by dubonaire » Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:40 am

coolshirtdotjpg wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:26 pm
I really wish they wouldn't. You used to be able to get D50s for reasonable prices before the boutique version. My last alpha juno I got for 150 bucks. Sold it a while ago and kind of want to get one again, so I'd prefer roland not make a boutique.
Did D05s really push up the price of D50s? I find that amazing, but it was probably due to the sales push of Legowelt etc.

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Re: Wishing Roland would make a Alpha Boutique?

Post by zoneswithoutpeople » Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:58 am

The Alphas tend to be very reliable and are underrated... amazing for warm pads and sub bass, love the snappy envelopes they have as well, one of the best digital EGs.

Having a way to edit the parameters live makes them far more fun obviously, but all the controllers are quite expensive.

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Post by StillNotWorking » Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:05 am

Annwn wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:58 pm
I just realised that's what they attempted with the JDXA. Never paid attention to it as it's design aesthetic reminds me of early 2000's HIFI systems.
I believe Roland finally got it with regards to that design. Price point did not match the intended interest group and vise a versa with regards to design. The new Jupiter X at an even higher price might do the trick :eek:

Don't think we ever see a specific JD-800 reissue. Panel would not fit in the Boutique form factor. Then buyers going for normal sized digital at this price point world also want to expand on sound palette already explored for over two decades.

According to the product page the new J-X has some XV-5080 capabilities though. Maybe some interesting tones can be created with this engine and J-X's control surface which 5080 never had?

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Re: Wishing Roland would make a Alpha Boutique?

Post by coolshirtdotjpg » Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:29 pm

dubonaire wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:40 am
coolshirtdotjpg wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:26 pm
I really wish they wouldn't. You used to be able to get D50s for reasonable prices before the boutique version. My last alpha juno I got for 150 bucks. Sold it a while ago and kind of want to get one again, so I'd prefer roland not make a boutique.
Did D05s really push up the price of D50s? I find that amazing, but it was probably due to the sales push of Legowelt etc.
I remember seeing them for 150, 200 and then within six months of the D05, they were going for 400-600
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Post by kwaidan » Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:12 pm

On Reverb.com, the MKS-50s are going for $400-$600. Over Christmas, I picked up one for around $500 plus state sales tax, and it is in beautiful condition. Seeing the JU06 boutique goes for $400, buying used seems a better option than getting a new 4 voice, tiny box version. The keyboard Alpha Junos are even cheaper.

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Re: Wishing Roland would make a Alpha Boutique?

Post by dubonaire » Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:13 am

coolshirtdotjpg wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:29 pm
dubonaire wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:40 am
coolshirtdotjpg wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:26 pm
I really wish they wouldn't. You used to be able to get D50s for reasonable prices before the boutique version. My last alpha juno I got for 150 bucks. Sold it a while ago and kind of want to get one again, so I'd prefer roland not make a boutique.
Did D05s really push up the price of D50s? I find that amazing, but it was probably due to the sales push of Legowelt etc.
I remember seeing them for 150, 200 and then within six months of the D05, they were going for 400-600
Fascinating, because unlike most other Boutiques, the D05 is a D50 without a keyboard.

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Re: Wishing Roland would make a Alpha Boutique?

Post by kinkujin » Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:57 am

I just acquired an Alpha Juno 1 in a trade locally. He got my MiniNova.
I just love it. I paid stupid money for a PG300 and I’m glad I did.

I’d scoop up a boutique of the Alpha in a heartbeat though as long as my PG300 worked with it, and providing they nail it. Being one of my first vintage synths I expect some problems. Probly don’t need to worry as I hear they are rather durable. What a sound!

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Re: Wishing Roland would make a Alpha Boutique?

Post by Voltcontrol » Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:18 am

The old programmer (and Dtronics one) work with the D05, so that gives good hope.

Do wish that Roland had bumped up the size and INCLUDED the programmer functionality on the boutique hardware of the D05 though.

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