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RE-303 Opinions wanted (now that it has been in the "wild" for a bit.)

Post by daveholiday » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:16 pm

As some of you know I am a bit of a TB-303 fanatic and enjoy using and collecting the various clones out there.

I have/had

2 Syntecno TeeBee mk3
1 Syntecno T303 (mk1)
2 MAM mb33mk2
1 Roland TB-03
1 XOXBOX (atomic mods) gone....bad build...
1 Avalon Bassline (gone...sadly...needed money)
2 Mehringer TD-3 (yellow on the way...they match the Syntecnos!)

I have the opportunity to pick up an RE-303 and was wondering how everyone is getting along with them now. How are the new sequencer options.

But most importantly.....I have heard these sound NOTHING like a TB-303.....is that true? :hmm: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just curious about some current owner opinions! Thanks!
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Post by daveholiday » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:18 pm

And by the way....

I have been blessed by not owning a TB-303! At this point....it seems counter productive given the quality and RELIABILITY of all the other options out there.
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Post by cscairney » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:52 pm

Well, Id be very interested in hearing your thoughts since you seem like quite the connoisseur!

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Post by daveholiday » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:33 pm

cscairney wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:52 pm
Well, Id be very interested in hearing your thoughts since you seem like quite the connoisseur!
I have the opportunity to pick one up...don't have one yet.

So basically you are saying that I should go ahead and get one since nobody else had responded, and you don't want this thread to die? :despair:


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Post by cscairney » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:39 pm

daveholiday wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:33 pm
cscairney wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:52 pm
Well, Id be very interested in hearing your thoughts since you seem like quite the connoisseur!
I have the opportunity to pick one up...don't have one yet.

So basically you are saying that I should go ahead and get one since nobody else had responded, and you don't want this thread to die? :despair:



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Post by Luap » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:41 pm

I've been quite pleased with mine. Sound is spot on, in my opinion.
Only fly in the ointment being the Sonic Potions CPU firmware development appears to have entirely stalled (perhaps Comboy was abducted by Uli?)
There is an alternative "Pixie" CPU option now, but i've not tried it yet.

If you must have the authentic sound and the user experience, then the RE-303 is pretty much right on the mark. However, if you are less enamoured with the OG sequencer (like me) then personally I think I prefer a well built x0xb0x instead. It sounds close enough to me, and I prefer the sequencer (flame suit ready :hihi: )
Like the x0xb0x though, they are DIY, so you want to know that its been decently built..
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Post by daveholiday » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:47 pm

cscairney wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:39 pm
daveholiday wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:33 pm
cscairney wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:52 pm
Well, Id be very interested in hearing your thoughts since you seem like quite the connoisseur!
I have the opportunity to pick one up...don't have one yet.

So basically you are saying that I should go ahead and get one since nobody else had responded, and you don't want this thread to die? :despair:



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Post by daveholiday » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:49 pm

cscairney wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:39 pm
daveholiday wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:33 pm
cscairney wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:52 pm
Well, Id be very interested in hearing your thoughts since you seem like quite the connoisseur!
I have the opportunity to pick one up...don't have one yet.

So basically you are saying that I should go ahead and get one since nobody else had responded, and you don't want this thread to die? :despair:



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Bought by the way 5 minutes ago......
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Post by cscairney » Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:00 pm

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Post by maxwellravitz » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:28 am

I own two original 303's, and the RE is the closest in tone of all the clones imo. I've owned quite a few clones, and none have quite the same mojo as the real deal, but RE seems to. haven't messed with an avalon, but all the others on your listen sound like 95% right, just missing subtle tonal differences.

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Post by Tajnost » Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:16 am

It is amazing!
Also, there's an option with some builders to use some original Roland nos chips, then it sounds even more cool!
Highly recommended!

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Post by DJMaytag » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:15 am

I’ve been part of the beta test team for Audiorealism ABL3 Plugin for a number of years now, and while I love what that thing could do, I eventually went out and got a TB-03 upon its release (then sold it a year ago) and then built a RE-303 last year.

I’ll still use the crap out of ABL3, but the hands on experience & the sound of the RE-303 can’t be beat by anything else but an actual TB-303.
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Post by lud » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:29 am

How do folks think the dreaded behringer clone stack up to the RE 303?

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Post by daveholiday » Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:16 pm

I will tell you in a a few weeks hopefully. I don't really think there is much to dread about the TD-3. It seems like a pretty solid offering to the 303 clone world. Did they do as much research as Brian did with the Avalon.....I doubt it, but many folks seem to think it sounds very good. Even some chap from down under who has modded a couple 303s has said some decent things about it so.....FUCKING SERIOUSLY....$150 bucks........

Lets do some math.......

95% of the sound for 5% of the cost (original tb-303)

I am curious if a couple guys from Germany will give their two cents about this new silver box..... :hmm:
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Post by daveholiday » Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:39 pm

I DON"T WANT THIS THREAD TO TURN INTO THE TYPICAL BEHRINGER BASH.....

The TB-303 has been cloned more times than any other synth that I know of....Mini Moog is probably 2nd if I had to guess.

I am happy to discuss the RE-303 vs. the TD-3 when I get them both side by side, but lets keep the chatter up about the RE-303.

The RE-303 project will probably keep original 303s around longer with a suitable circuit board replacement option. Kudos to Dinsync for making all this available. These are good times indeed for the 303 fans around the world. It is arguably one of the more simplistic synth engines, with so many parameter restrictions, that it shouldn't even be relevant in this day and age. But....gotta love the acid niche that it has carved out over the past 35 years!!

"Cause nothin' sounds quite like an 8 0 8" (they really meant to say 303!)
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Post by daveholiday » Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:08 pm

Here ya go.......


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Post by daveholiday » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:43 pm

So I have in my possession a RE-303 in the aluminum case from Kumptronics. Very nice case, but I do have a couple complaints. One I already knew, and forgot about, the other well might just be inherent of the design. The first, the fucking knobs on a 303 are just to small for me....I had forgotten.....The other thing that I noticed is that they are just as wobbly as the TB-303s that I have played with in the past. Is this just a thing inherent to the "replica" recreation? I did notice Kumptronics does sell a potentiometer guide to help stabilize the pots...any body have any experience with this? Other that that, the sound is spot on, and I am really liking the added features of the sonic potions chip to the overall functionality of the sequencer!!

With the Din Sync RE-303...I am not sure that I could ever justify the purchase of an original TB-303 for more that just a collector piece. A 36-38 year old machine made with 36-38 year old parts....I have old cars I know how the "vintage" bit goes....keep your fingers crossed!!

And as you may have seen from the video I linked above.....other clones have some SERIOUS competition!
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Post by Monofunk » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:40 am

That's frustrating to read about the wobble.

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Post by daveholiday » Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:13 am

I have messaged the seller my concerns about the pots. The other thing I have noticed is that the pots make a soft clicking sound as they wobble. I think Kumptronics was the builder but I don't know for sure. The other thing that concerns me is the inconsistency of the resistance tuning the knobs...some are loose some are tight. I am having some real concerns about the build quality of the internals. The case itself is exceptional though.

I don't really want to open the thing up until I hear back from the seller, and I am also scared as to what I might find!! :eek:

The last thing I want to do is fix a "new" synth.....that is why I got rid of my XOXBOX a few years ago. It was one with the atomic mods. Sad thing was all the pots and switch gear for the mods were good quality. The "core" build was pretty cheap to say the least!
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Post by Monofunk » Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:44 pm

Let us know if there's a build quality issue or if that's simply how they are.

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Post by daveholiday » Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:11 pm

Monofunk wrote:
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Let us know if there's a build quality issue or if that's simply how they are.
I got in touch with the builder...it seems that the spec pots (identical to the TB) just aren't that good. I am going to try to reach out to a couple other RE-303 owners and confirm. I will keep everyone posted.
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Post by Luap » Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:35 pm

Yes the pots are wobbly. But as you noted, they aren't great on OG 303's either.
I'll add the pot guide to mine at some point, but im in no hurry. There are also alternative 'ruggedized' pots available.
https://michigansynthworks.com/collecti ... ometer-set
Best added to a new build than to an otherwise perfectly good RE303 I would think though, as they are not exactly a quick swap.

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Post by Monofunk » Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:40 pm

Luap wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:35 pm
Yes the pots are wobbly. But as you noted, they aren't great on OG 303's either.
I'll add the pot guide to mine at some point, but im in no hurry. There are also alternative 'ruggedized' pots available.
https://michigansynthworks.com/collecti ... ometer-set
Best added to a new build than to an otherwise perfectly good RE303 I would think though, as they are not exactly a quick swap.
Good to know about these. I'd prefer this route.

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Post by daveholiday » Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:18 pm

So a bit of research later.....and.......

The pots are shit on the TB-303/RE-303.

This is not saying anything bad about either....just that this was the case for an inexpensive bass synth from the 80s.

The reinforced pots out there (via MISW) is what I am going with. The builder has offered to swap them out for me if I cover the cost of the kit and shipping. Seems like a good compromise...I will keep the thread updated as I progress through this!
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Post by synthetek » Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:40 pm

I built my RE-303 with the Ruggedized Pots, there is still a little wobble but not as much as my 606. The wobble now is less from the shafts but the whole pot moving. I will probably add the pot guide from kumptronics at some point. The knobs are small on real 303/606 the RE-303 knobs are pretty much exact copies and interchangeable with a real 303.

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