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Behringer Solina

Post by Analog Prophet » Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:02 am

I want a Solina and Behringer announce this:

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Re: Behringer Solina

Post by flx » Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:10 am

You can already get an affordable Solina in you (AE) modular synth, by the way :yay:

Short sound demo clips at 4:36 in this feature overview video:
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Re: Behringer Solina

Post by Richjk7 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:38 am

Imo the mod rate of the chorus and the phaser pedal are a bit fast. I'd like it to go at least half the speed at the slowest setting.

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Re: Behringer Solina

Post by JimY » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:20 am

The Behringer guy spent a lot of time showing the cheesier side of the Solina. IMHO, only the string+ensemble sounds are really worth having.
Cool that he shows the spiky sawtooth used. Why have so many wavetable synths ignored it?

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Re: Behringer Solina

Post by Neo » Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:48 pm

Using an FPGA for tone generation, and a Mk IV as a reference.

Fail. :despair:

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Re: Behringer Solina

Post by Peake » Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:56 pm

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Re: Behringer Solina

Post by 3hands » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:04 pm

That sounds nearly as good as my old Solina I sold years ago. May have to purchase this.
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Re: Behringer Solina

Post by Analog Prophet » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:09 pm

Neo wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:48 pm
Using an FPGA for tone generation, and a Mk IV as a reference.
Yeh, he also admitted that it wasn't the greatest Solina. Strange to be aware of building from something else than the greatest reference of a Solina, I can’t understand why? Or does it sound the same as earlier revisions before processing?
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Re: Behringer Solina

Post by ObsoleteModular » Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:37 am

8 voices apparently. Do they all work or are some silenced for criticism?

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Re: Behringer Solina

Post by digitalganesha » Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:09 am

Apparently that MkIV is for their "gallery" and the production model is being based on the MkII.
Neo wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:48 pm
Using an FPGA for tone generation, and a Mk IV as a reference.

Fail. :despair:

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Re: Behringer Solina

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ObsoleteModular wrote:
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8 voices apparently. Do they all work or are some silenced for criticism?
I snorted, well-played.

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Re: Behringer Solina

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Kattefjaes wrote:
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Re: Behringer Solina

Post by Flounderguts » Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:21 am

ObsoleteModular wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:26 am
Kattefjaes wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:27 am
ObsoleteModular wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:37 am
8 voices apparently. Do they all work or are some silenced for criticism?
I snorted, well-played.
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Re: Behringer Solina

Post by coolshirtdotjpg » Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:44 pm

I've really fallen in love with string synths, after I got the VC-340 for what I thought would be primarily used as a vocoder. For whatever reason the solina doesn't really interest me, sounds more like early prog rock than John Foxx/Film soundtrack stuff that I'd be more into. It does sort of make me wonder why they anyone would buy this since the VC-340 is available, sounds more vintage/analog and comes with a vocoder. I guess we'll see how it sounds.

I'd personally be more excited by a Logan String Melody 2 clone, for those Goblin-esque sounds.
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Re: Behringer Solina

Post by Analog Prophet » Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:02 pm

Is the string sound of Solina String Ensamble (preferable mk2) and Eminent 310 (same fabrication, sounds more lush to me but never played an Eminent) the same or does it differ?
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Re: Behringer Solina

Post by ObsoleteModular » Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:06 pm

The Waldorf Streichfett is an awesome alternative to these cumbersome old beasts (B clone or original)

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Re: Behringer Solina

Post by JimY » Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:04 pm

All the famous Solina users I know of moved on to the Arp Omni. It could do the same strings but also had mono synth and the chorus could switch into a phaser mode. The Omni got into a broader range of music including funk/fusion. I wouldn't throw a Solina out, but I'd rather have an Omni.

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Post by burnn_out! » Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:12 pm

flx wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:10 am
You can already get an affordable Solina in you (AE) modular synth, by the way :yay:

Short sound demo clips at 4:36 in this feature overview video:

Dude why doesn't this exist in eurorack? Fuck.. that's cool
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Re: Behringer Solina

Post by onthebandwagon » Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:24 pm

JimY wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:04 pm
All the famous Solina users I know of moved on to the Arp Omni. It could do the same strings but also had mono synth and the chorus could switch into a phaser mode. The Omni got into a broader range of music including funk/fusion. I wouldn't throw a Solina out, but I'd rather have an Omni.
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Re: Behringer Solina

Post by doombient.music » Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:43 pm

Analog Prophet wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:02 pm
Is the string sound of Solina String Ensamble (preferable mk2) and Eminent 310 (same fabrication, sounds more lush to me but never played an Eminent) the same or does it differ?
Two entirely different beasts IMHO. The Solina sounds raspy and brittle by comparison.

But that's only me, of course.

And no, the ARP Omni sounds nowhere like a Solina because they didn't get the BBD chorus right. The Omni probably is the most dreadful-sounding string synth of all times.

But that's only me, of course.

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Re: Behringer Solina

Post by StillNotWorking » Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:57 pm

Neo wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:48 pm
Using an FPGA for tone generation, and a Mk IV as a reference.

Fail. :despair:
I thought FPGA would give them the option to emulate dividers at logic level? Is that not how they do it?

Be interesting to hear how the ensemble comes together using modern replica of low voltage BBD chips. Had the cynic in me question why a phaser is added to the cost.

Are this type of instrument something people like to have with keys or as module? As plug-in board for the vocoder clone could be cool?
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Re: Behringer Solina

Post by flx » Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:33 am

burnn_out! wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:12 pm
flx wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:10 am
You can already get an affordable Solina in you (AE) modular synth, by the way :yay:

Short sound demo clips at 4:36 in this feature overview video:
Dude why doesn't this exist in eurorack? Fuck.. that's cool
Haha, yeah, the AE Modular format is developing quite nicely. There is an adapter to put those modules into a Eurorack system even. Price of the Solina module is only 67€, by the way.

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Re: Behringer Solina

Post by JimY » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:08 am

StillNotWorking wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:57 pm
Neo wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:48 pm
Using an FPGA for tone generation, and a Mk IV as a reference.

Fail. :despair:
I thought FPGA would give them the option to emulate dividers at logic level? Is that not how they do it?

Be interesting to hear how the ensemble comes together using modern replica of low voltage BBD chips. Had the cynic in me question why a phaser is added to the cost.

Are this type of instrument something people like to have with keys or as module? As plug-in board for the vocoder clone could be cool?
The originals operated with at least 12v while now if any modern logic device is employed it's going to be 5v operated at most. It can be interfaced to the original high voltage keying circuitry, but the required voltage level translation is an extra step. You have to add midi control to the problem - in the original, a mechanical key contact switches a pitch from the divider via a very crude VCA. If you have midi input, an electronic switching needs to be included instead and if you do (for every key and every voice that can be played from that key), a version with its own keyboard might as well use a standard midi keyboard with its midi connection all internal.
This is so complicated that it must be very tempting to move as much as possible into the FPGA and basically have a redesign that works at lower voltage, but gives the same wave shapes.
Behringer have already solved these basic problems for the VC-340 which at heart is like all Stringers - basically the same thing but with different circuitry.
The Phaser is because JMJ used one. I don't like the sound of it myself.

The changes Arp eventually made to the ensemble chorus were driven by the original BBD chips being made obsolete and there was nothing exact to replace them with. Additionally, the old chips were unreliable and noisy being among the first designs of BBD. Apart from different voltages, there's no technical reason for the newer Ensemble effect sound to change much. It was now very similar to units in Roland and Korg instruments

The difference between Solina and Omni strings can be heard by first listening to Joy Division and then New Order. Blue Monday is definitely Omni.

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Re: Behringer Solina

Post by StillNotWorking » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:02 am

Appreciate what you are saying JimY. My point where more in terms like Moog declined to make imitation of their own ClusterFlux and infamous MF Delay from low voltage BBD course they were unable to create the sought after sound with current BBD replicas. At least to me string machine sound are the ensemble effect more so than the tone generator.

Do we know if VC-340 has dividers or simple algorithm? If the Solina clone are based on algorithm maybe some more wavetables should be explored?
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Re: Behringer Solina

Post by KSS » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:38 am

JimY wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:04 pm
All the famous Solina users I know of moved on to the Arp Omni. It could do the same strings but also had mono synth and the chorus could switch into a phaser mode. The Omni got into a broader range of music including funk/fusion. I wouldn't throw a Solina out, but I'd rather have an Omni.
But they didn't do it for a better string sound. They did it for the duality of the newer instrument and its 'good enough' strings. One fewer synth to pay roadies to cart around and set up. Remember what was happening in the music world when the Omni came out. Moves from straight rock to symphonic and over-produced, along with the expansion of genres you already brought up.

I don't know anybody who thinks an Omni's strings sound the same as a Solina or String Ensemble. Apple and orange.

Edit: Also remember that ARP were the first to really push the product through Famous users endorsement deals. Omni's were given to big acts for advertisement, and same as today, you were expected to be using the new stuff in your act. Part of the deal. Compare that with Bob Moog's letter to Keith Emerson saying he -the Nice- weren't going to get a moog modular for free. /edit
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