Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

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Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

Post by magnetize » Sat May 23, 2020 4:11 am

Posted this in the 'looking for a sampler' thread but dont want to derail the OP query there...

Looking for a standalone phrase sampler that can either be RAM pre-loaded with 300-400 4 bar audio loops or can load/stream them from disk. Its for a project similar to what speedy J was doing on two su700s around the loudboxer-era.

i believe the octatrack can do this... and obvioulsy ableton, but of course dont want to go the PC route.

anything else out there? the blackbox was so nearly there but only holds 16 samples at a time and doesnt support uninterrupted loading afaik.

sample editing isnt really necessary but fx/modulation would be. failing that multiple outs would be needed in order to process through external fx / desk.

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Re: Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Sat May 23, 2020 5:16 am

maybe the quantum?
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Re: Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

Post by magnetize » Sat May 23, 2020 5:30 am

quantum looks cool but would be overkill for this & id like to stay below €1k

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Re: Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

Post by Kattefjaes » Sat May 23, 2020 5:36 am

magnetize wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 5:30 am
quantum looks cool but would be overkill for this & id like to stay below €1k
Wouldn't a used v1 octatrack come in below 1k? (or is there another reason you don't want one?)

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Re: Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

Post by magnetize » Sat May 23, 2020 6:33 am

just seeing if theres any other alternatives tbh
used an octa in the past & didnt like the workflow much

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Re: Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

Post by gminorcoles » Sat May 23, 2020 6:57 am

Kronos ftw

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Re: Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

Post by magnetize » Sat May 23, 2020 7:06 am

i guess i should include carry on portability as a preference :)
kronos is also too spendy

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Re: Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

Post by tehyar » Sat May 23, 2020 7:20 am

Pipes, though it’s still not out and I don’t know if you can get one.


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Re: Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

Post by magnetize » Sat May 23, 2020 7:34 am

pipes looks perfect, pity its not available...

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Akai S5000 and S6000
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Re: Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

Post by magnetize » Sat May 23, 2020 8:15 am

ideally would like something carry on size

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Re: Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

Post by Voltcontrol » Sat May 23, 2020 8:32 am

Synthstrom Deluge.

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Re: Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

Post by magnetize » Sat May 23, 2020 10:00 am

thanks, will bear the deluge in mind.
the four character screen may make it difficult when picking from so many samples though....
plenty of features & seems to be well supported

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Re: Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

Post by DruidTek » Sun May 24, 2020 2:06 am

magnetize wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 4:11 am
blackbox was so nearly there but only holds 16 samples at a time and doesnt support uninterrupted loading afaik.
You could make up wave files with say 32 x 4 bar loops in them and load them into the Slicer and each note will trigger a different slice (loop). That would give you 512 loops per preset.

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Re: Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

Post by magnetize » Sun May 24, 2020 5:19 am

interesting. would an external sequencer be required to trigger random slices on the fly?

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Post by DruidTek » Sun May 24, 2020 5:38 am

magnetize wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 5:19 am
interesting. would an external sequencer be required to trigger random slices on the fly?
You could turn on Loop Mode and trigger them manually with the touch screen, then use CV to randomise the slice selection.

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Re: Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

Post by magnetize » Sun May 24, 2020 6:22 am

the touch screen is limited to 16 clips
how would i trigger on the fly one of the 32 slices within these.... not randomly... is it possible to assign a slice trigger?
prob would be not being able to see the name/descriptor on the loop (slice) but i guess there needs to be some workaround

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Re: Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

Post by DruidTek » Sun May 24, 2020 6:47 am

magnetize wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 6:22 am
the touch screen is limited to 16 clips
how would i trigger on the fly one of the 32 slices within these.... not randomly... is it possible to assign a slice trigger?
prob would be not being able to see the name/descriptor on the loop (slice) but i guess there needs to be some workaround
The top left encoder on the main waveform screen selects the currently active slice, and there's also a Slice Sequencer function that can be set to Forward, Backwards, Random or Staggered and can be modulated by incoming triggers or a bunch of other modulation sources.

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Re: Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

Post by magnetize » Sun May 24, 2020 7:02 am

sounds good! ill look into the blackbox for sure

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Re: Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

Post by dBVelocity » Sun May 24, 2020 10:53 am

Doesn't the Roland SP-404 fit this bill? I own an SP-808 (that I've modded and upgraded) and it will do 2.5 hrs of sample and playback. I know that Roland uses it's own audio format to achieve the streaming for this, though the newer SP-404's are probably a bit different being linear and such.

The downside that I saw of the 404 was the limited banks for samples (12 iirc) compared to the 64 of the SP-808. The 404 boasts way more storage but way less places to divide it all down which sort of lends to the idea that you can have really long playback samples.

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Re: Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

Post by dBVelocity » Sun May 24, 2020 11:01 am

Another note on the SP-404 and it's iterations, super portable with battery option, on board FX and to clarify it's 8 banks of 12 samples so 96 slots total.

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Re: Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

Post by magnetize » Sun May 24, 2020 11:32 am

i did look into the sp404 but i didnt get that you had access to stream 96 samples. thats 48 stereo samples, right?
how does it handle loading new banks... does the playback need to stop?

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Re: Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

Post by dBVelocity » Sun May 24, 2020 11:48 am

I can only really speak as a power user of the 808. The samples on it can be mono or stereo in a given single slot. You are limited by polyphony on the original 404 to 12 voices (6 stereo).

On the 808 I can playback any sample, load another bank while it's still playing and play another sample on a different pad (as the current pad is locked with the current sample playing) and continue to hold samples as the polyphony will allow..pads that are "locked" are useable, just will cut off the playing sample if triggering another one on another bank. Hope that makes sense.

Hopefully someone else owns one and can confirm the behavior though Roland typically sticks within a workflow and using one device is very like using the other.

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Re: Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

Post by magnetize » Sun May 24, 2020 12:21 pm

hmm. wondering if the 808 will work for me then. is it really limited to four stereo samples simultaneously?

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Re: Sampler that streams from disk or large ROM

Post by dBVelocity » Sun May 24, 2020 12:49 pm

Yeah the polyphony is limiting but the multitracker side allows you to bounce down much like a 4 track recorder.
The syncing of the multitracker can be cumbersome and fall off grid but good if you string a phrase and bounce to another sample.
It's not the most portable, as it's around 15" x 15" or so.

The zip drive is a big drawback too. They eventually fail. It is very reliant on streaming samples from the drive. I have a now discontinued multicard reader that is one of the only known to be compatible for swaping. (ATAPI pio mode 4 iirc).

I don't use it much any more and have considered selling it but the shear rarity of an SP-808 that has the ex firmware update, the op-2 expansion card ( digital io, xlr connectors) and a card reader that works leaves me to pause. I would probably part with it at around $650 but no one would likely pay that amount for it considering the current offerings.

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