Presonus Studio One Pro - a good beginner DAW?

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Presonus Studio One Pro - a good beginner DAW?

Post by EasyToAssemble » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:21 am

Hello. Apologies if this is another beginner question. I'm just starting out into modular, without having a really solid background in music, although I have used a few different DAWs in the past. I'm ultimately looking for a good beginner DAW for home production that will also be a little futureproof for when I start to upgrade and require something more sophisticated.

I'm aiming to produce mostly ambient / drone stuff, incorporating external instruments or field recordings - via external effects pedals - and then record/sequence within the DAW, so not really looking to rely much on plugins or DAW effects, although I would still like the option (eg. I don't yet have a drum machine, so plugins may be useful in the meantime for stuff like that). Studio One Pro allows VSTs, so I'd be looking at that version.

Having looked at some of the options, the Presonus Studio One Pro looks like it might fit the bill. Ableton is also quite intuitive (I've played around on this in the past) though quite a bit more expensive. I have no problem with learning a more complex interface (like Cubase, which I used years ago in college) but I think it might be overkill for someone just leaning the ropes.

So would Studio One Pro be a good place to start that will also serve me into the future, or are there better options out there for DAW-novices?

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Post by mritenburg » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:07 pm

It might be worth your time to tryout the fully functional Studio One Pro 30 day demo. See if you get along with it. No matter which DAW you choose, there will be a steep learning curve. Get the demo and work your way trough some YouTube tutorials.

I use Studio One Pro and I love it. It's rock solid. To me, it's the DAW equivalent of Photoshop. Everything is drag and drop, point and click.

I work in a bunch of different styles. I did these tracks in Studio One:

http://soundcloud.com/labelleaurore/perseverance

http://soundcloud.com/labelleaurore/519-am

http://soundcloud.com/labelleaurore/zipped-up-along

https://soundcloud.com/labelleaurore/air-head

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Post by Panason » Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:02 am

Learning another DAW later will be a PITA... Choose the one for you and stick with it. Cubase rules, IMO, if you can afford it. Studio One looks good enough too.. and Presonus also make a control surface for it which would make it much nicer to work with.

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Post by EasyToAssemble » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:09 am

mritenburg wrote:It might be worth your time to tryout the fully functional Studio One Pro 30 day demo. See if you get along with it. No matter which DAW you choose, there will be a steep learning curve. Get the demo and work your way trough some YouTube tutorials.

I use Studio One Pro and I love it. It's rock solid. To me, it's the DAW equivalent of Photoshop. Everything is drag and drop, point and click.
Cool, thanks for the heads up on the demo. Seems a good idea to try out first. For some stupid reason, I didn't even consider trying out demo versions for a few DAWs to compare. Seems like a good thing to do once I have a few ideas.

An intuitive interface isn't a deal breaker, though I suppose if I'm doing things repetitively, I don't want the proces to be harder than it needs to be.

I like your tracks BTW (the 3rd one is pretty crazy).

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Post by EasyToAssemble » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:17 am

Panason wrote:Learning another DAW later will be a PITA... Choose the one for you and stick with it. Cubase rules, IMO, if you can afford it. Studio One looks good enough too.. and Presonus also make a control surface for it which would make it much nicer to work with.
Yeah, I'm trying to futureproof by getting something that won't break the bank while I learn (and allow me to spend that money on some analogue gear), but I'm also hoping to avoid locking myself into a limited piece of software.

Cubase Artist seems inexpensive, compared to Pro, though I'm not sure if it's missing anything vital that a newbie might not know they need (until they try to do something and need to upgrade to do it):

https://new.steinberg.net/cubase/compare-editions/

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Post by snadge » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:26 am

Ex Cubase user here, got Reaper, no regrets at all.

60 day trial and $60 to register, extremely powerful.

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Post by mritenburg » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:34 am

EasyToAssemble wrote:Yeah, I'm trying to futureproof by getting something that won't break the bank while I learn (and allow me to spend that money on some analogue gear), but I'm also hoping to avoid locking myself into a limited piece of software.
Thanks for the compliments!

Which ever DAW you choose, the least expensive way to get into the top-tier product is to start with the lowest-tier paid product offered by that company, then be patient. At least once during the year, these companies will run a promotion that will allow you to upgrade to their top-tier product for a fraction of the retail price. Presonus, Steinberg, and Ableton all do this.

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Post by Panason » Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:28 pm

Been checking this out and it's looking pretty good. Trying to figure out if it will work for me...I have a couple of questions for S1 users:

- Is there a way to offset the MIDI clock output for each MIDI port? (not by delaying the MIDI track)

-Does it auto-save and recover your work succesfully after a crash? How stable is the Mac version?

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Post by xradii » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:11 pm

Learning another DAW later will be a PITA... Choose the one for you and stick with it.
Great advice and it's true. I decided to switch over from Studio One to Renoise (just for the hell of it) and the learning curve is turning out to be pretty steep...simple things are tough to do b/c I don't know it well so I'm spending days just reading and watching tutorials and I'm still not productive with it.

I've installed and play around with most of the popular DAW's (except Cubase) and Studio One was by far the most intuitive. I especially love the Midi editor, very easy to get shit done. Go for it, you'll be happy you did.

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Post by Panason » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:16 pm

Are you using it with MIDI hardware, and especially drum machines? I'm wondering about MIDI clock and MIDI timing in general.

If those are good, I'm thinking that a tablet display and this software may be the way to go. The chord arranger and step sequencer are looking great... Studio One it is a lot more advanced than I realized. Arranging tracks and doing automation on this will be a walk in the park compared to the nightmares of Ableton.
I have been close to throwing my trackball at the screen with Live. It sucks that the worse thing you can do to a piece of software is to delete it, you cannot physically attack it. :help:

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Post by xradii » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:23 pm

Are you using it with MIDI hardware, and especially drum machines? I'm wondering about MIDI clock and MIDI timing in general.
No hardware at the moment (slowly saving up for some) so not sure about MIDI clock and timing. Wish I could help!

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Post by mritenburg » Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:46 pm

Panason wrote:Are you using it with MIDI hardware, and especially drum machines? I'm wondering about MIDI clock and MIDI timing in general.

If those are good, I'm thinking that a tablet display and this software may be the way to go. The chord arranger and step sequencer are looking great... Studio One it is a lot more advanced than I realized. Arranging tracks and doing automation on this will be a walk in the park compared to the nightmares of Ableton.
I have been close to throwing my trackball at the screen with Live. It sucks that the worse thing you can do to a piece of software is to delete it, you cannot physically attack it. :help:
I use Studio One with all kinds of older hardware: Alesis DMPro, Yamaha TX7, Roland D-550, Oberheim Matrix 1000, Wavestation SR, Casio vz10m, Buchla 200e, Roland MPU-101 to control my Euorack, etc.

MIDI timing in general is really good even for notoriously sluggish devices like the D-550. I don't use MIDI clock much. Sometimes I use it to sync my Buchla 200e sequencers that sync to MIDI clock (250e/251e). I've never noticed any problems.

About your original question: I don't think you can set an MIDI clock offset per MIDI port (at least I couldn't find a place to configure it).

As you probably already know, you can set a per track offset, but that's not what you want.
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Post by kinkujin » Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:47 pm

I’ve tried a lot of software - they are all great and they all suck at something. Trick, for me, was to pick something that attracted me to it and just stick with it. Eventually I can figure out my way around most shortcomings/irritations. Then I can get on with the music.

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Post by mritenburg » Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:46 am

Just a heads up: Presonus is having a 10 year anniversary sale. You can upgrade or cross grade to Studio One Pro for 33% off regular price, or 25% off new price.

http://www.presonus.com

UPDATE

Presonus is also offering a free tube compressor plug-in for fat channel right now. I believe it’s based on the Pultec tube compressor. It’s only available until tomorrow, so definitely get it.

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Post by Ampethron » Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:06 pm

Studio One is a good choice, I really like intuitive GUI, what is a high priority thing especially for a beginner. It is always good to spent your time with producing music instead of reading manual or searching for functions ;)

On the other side, I'm really sad that Studio One, even in V4 still suffers with automation bug during the export in certain systems and circumstances, which are still not totally clear even for the developers. As a result, your automation sometimes is not written to the final export. This issue is rare but if you look the forums, people are not finding solutions other than record the whole song to the separate track and then export it, what is, not so comfortable of course.

But as I wrote it is rare so you probably will not force that problem at all :)

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