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Advanced MIDI editor for Windows (DAW or standalone app)

Post by nouuislo » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:36 pm

Hello compositional wizards of Muff!

... like the title says. I'm looking for a DAW or application for Windows 10 with advanced MIDI editing capabilities such as:

- inversion
- retrograde
- transposition
- rhythmic augmentation / diminution
- select some of many (i.e. every 'n' midi events), then perform some operation on those events

etc.

Any thoughts on what tool can do this on Windows would be much appreciated! Thank you.

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Post by pekbro » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:43 pm

Check out Architect from Loomer. Still in beta, so it's a good time for
feature requests.

https://www.loomer.co.uk/architect.htm

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Post by nouuislo » Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:48 pm

@pekbro - thank you for the suggestion, I'll check it out!
pekbro wrote:Check out Architect from Loomer. Still in beta, so it's a good time for
feature requests.

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Post by pottering » Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:29 pm

Not sure what budget, but Ableton Live has nearly infinite MIDI manipulation power.

You can do a lot of stuff real-time, with MIDI Effects, which you can combo in pretty complex MIDI Effect Racks (serial and parallel chains are possible, also Racks within Racks for branching trees, "inter-chain" and "feedback loops" are only possible with routing through other tracks or with Max For Live).

https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/live- ... reference/

https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/instr ... ect-racks/

It is all easily MIDI assignable, even something as simple as MIDI assigning the Pitch knob in Pitch device to a knob (transpose gradually real time) or a button (on/off switch between 2 values, like +0/+12, to switch octaves instantly) can have nice sounding results.

Inverse, reverse and stretching (the time, hence the rhythm) can be done in the editor:

https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/clip- ... form-tools

https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/editi ... te-stretch

Regarding "rhythmic augmentation", there is also "Grooves", usually used to apply small changes like "swing" and "humanizing", but can actually be also used to do more extreme changes:

https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/editi ... te-stretch

You can extract the "rhythm" of any MIDI or audio sequence and apply it to other MIDI or audio.


With Max For Live it is even more powerful, has loads of MIDI stuff, like mutateful:

https://cdm.link/2019/10/mutateful-free ... g-ableton/
https://github.com/carrierdown/mutateful

Its dev is actively developing:




There are dozens of nice M4L MIDI devices, like devices that can "morph" between MIDI Clips (some using "deep learning AI"):

https://maxforlive.com/library/device/5550/midimorph
https://maxforlive.com/library/device/3228/morph
https://magenta.tensorflow.org/studio/ableton-live
https://splashpro.popgun.ai/


There is some quite powerful paid M4L stuff too:

https://vimeo.com/showcase/5433236
https://vimeo.com/showcase/5817339/video/321840190




Plus decades of Max knowledge out there.


Even without M4L, there is stuff people do with Python and Remote Scripts, like "LES".

https://enhancementsuite.me/


(I made a big-ass post, but what fits OP's post the best is really mutateful, that thing is ace.)

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Post by nouuislo » Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:59 pm

@pottering wow that is super helpful and descriptive ... Mutateful seems like it has my name on it. Thank you! :yay:

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Post by rjungemann » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:24 am

Coincidentally I just bought Loomer Architect a couple days ago! It's fantastic, probably closest to Numerology but also runs on Windows. You can easily create manually-clocked sequencers, all sorts of performance tools, etc., and anything it doesn't have you can create using the Lua module. Be sure to check out the Quick Start which shows how to create a sequencer from scratch (which you don't have to do, of course, but it shows all the functionality nicely).

Also, VCV Rack, as of 1.0, has MIDI out, and there is a TON of sequencing fun there.

Renoise patterns are a great way to create polymeter/polyrhythm, imagine a self-contained instance of Renoise inside of Renoise. Among other cool techniques, you can "key follow" and optionally set a scale for it to follow, and it can easily be used as a sophisticated arp in addition to a sequencer. Of course it can emit MIDI. However, Renoise's sibling, Redux plugin doesn't emit MIDI last I checked.

Also Thesys by Sugar Bytes looks very cool, and there's an inexpensive iPad version as well (check out the manual, it's pretty packed with features, but I was glad to find a MIDI-controllable "manual step" feature to allow for tricky clocking). It controls a single instrument (but has pitch and 4 modulation lanes), so it would be most useful with multiple instances controlled by your host DAW, I think.

Other potentially interesting sequencers I came across in my recent dig: Nodal, Raxntrax, Mozys.

All of the above except Raxntrax and Mozys are available for Mac also.
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Post by secretkillerofnames » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:48 am

OpusModus may be of interest.

It's super niche and not cheap.

I ended up not vibing with the code base, however it is theoretically very malleable and useful.

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Post by dpcoffin » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:38 pm

pottering wrote:
(I made a big-ass post, but what fits OP's post the best is really mutateful, that thing is ace.)
Big-ass is great when packed with usefulness—Thank you, loved it, off to click on all:)

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