Disting MK4 K-5 Programmable Quantizer and scala programming

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Disting MK4 K-5 Programmable Quantizer and scala programming

Post by collumn2016 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:46 am

Hi OS, been struggling with this for ages and had to put it to one side. I have tried to follow the instruction to create scales using scala and the different folders etc that need to present on the disting but have been unable to get them to work.Could you put together a video with step by step instructions on this? Its one of the algorithms i have been most excited by. Cheers
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Post by os » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:47 am

If you could zip up the files on your SD card and post them here, I'll have a look and see why they don't work.

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Thanks OS heres the files

Post by collumn2016 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:37 am

HI Os heres the files been awhile since i looked at these and i think this is all of them. Cheers
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Post by os » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:41 am

I think it might be as simple as that you've not specified a kbm file for any of the scales.

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Post by collumn2016 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:26 am

Hi Os, I went back to the example files you provide and reduced the number of scales i was using. I tried to tag my scales into playlist-scales.txt after your entries. When i try using them and scroll through the list on the disting i get to pyth_12 and then error using scl/kbm until the scale diminished and then the Disting crashes. I am no programmer and i am clearly missing something here. Can you take a look at the files and tell me where i am going wrong please. Cheers
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Post by os » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:02 am

johnson_7.scl is a 7 note scale and so can't be used with example.kbm which you've specified as the default.

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cant workout, which keyboard mapping to use with which scale

Post by collumn2016 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:22 am

Hi Os, spent ages looking through scala and scales and keyboard mappings. I dont have a clue how to create a keyboard map for the scales i have chosen. Is there a simple way of doing this as the options are too great for me to understand. Is there a default for a 7 note scale for example or a 12 note one?I dont have much in the way of music theory etc. I was excited by the algorithm as i wanted to send random cv from my ultra random analog to the disting and create strange atmospheres etc. I appreciate the depth and flexibility this algorithm brings but it would be nice to have a set of asian scales or different modes for example and the wholetone scale. I really appreciate what you do and hope i am not asking too much of you. Cheers

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Post by os » Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:29 pm

The 7.kbm file works for any 7 note scale I believe. There are some examples you can download from the scala website (which is where 7.kbm came from).

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Post by oudplayer » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:01 am

I'm considering getting into the world of Expert Sleepers and scala tunings as well. There's 2 ways I might want to approach this:
  1. 1. using a turing generator to create a random sequence and quantizing it through disting's quantizer feature to a scala tuning
  1. 2. creating a pre-recorded CV sequence that is already quantized to a scala scale, perhaps in silent way, playing it back through the Disting
Is the first currently working/supported?

And I'm a bit confused about how I might make a workflow that incorporates Silent Way and Disting mk4. The Disting manual mentions that it can play back a wav file that contains CV data. Sounds perfect, I'd like to create long sequences with scala tunings that I can play back through a Eurorack system. But I'm unclear how to get from midi data in a DAW through silent way to the creation of a wav file that can be exported from the DAW and loaded into Disting.

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Post by os » Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:11 am

The random generator/quantizer thing will definitely work.

You can record the output of the Silent Way plug-in as audio within the DAW.

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Post by oudplayer » Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:01 am

os wrote:The random generator/quantizer thing will definitely work.

You can record the output of the Silent Way plug-in as audio within the DAW.
Sounds great - ordering both, and will try it out! Thanks os.

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Post by gtrmstr53 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:43 pm

Any chance you have a link to the .kbm files from the scala site. I've been poring over the site and can't seem to find the right page.

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Re: Disting MK4 K-5 Programmable Quantizer and scala programming

Post by boramx » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:23 am

hi-
bumping this.

i’m about to have a go at this and i’m interested in using some of the maqam and pelog tunings in the huge scl download on scala’s website.

can someone explain to me why a keyboard mapping file is necessary in the modular context? i’m not using midi or any “keyboard.”

what is the kbm file doing to assist the module with decoding the scl files and quantizing the incoming voltages?

i’m interested in working with pentatonic (pentachord) so if i need a “5” kbm file i’d appreciate it if someone could post/provide/link.

i too couldn’t find kbm files on the scala website.

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Re: Disting MK4 K-5 Programmable Quantizer and scala programming

Post by os » Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:11 am

A selection of kbm files are included in the source code download e.g. http://www.huygens-fokker.org/software/ ... ux.tar.bz2

on http://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/downloads.html

The kbm file is necessary because it's selecting which notes of the scale to quantise to.

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Re: Disting MK4 K-5 Programmable Quantizer and scala programming

Post by icondark » Sat May 02, 2020 3:36 pm

Is there a much-simplified collection of scales? A 4000+ archive is great and all, but I'm looking for things like "Major, Minor, Phrygian, Locrian, Pentatonic, Chromatic" and there are either 12 or 0 of each of those names in the download file.

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Re: Disting MK4 K-5 Programmable Quantizer and scala programming

Post by thegreenmachine » Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:57 pm

i dont fully understand the .scl and .kbm thing to be honest
Obviously it has to match with the scale/ saw a video about Disting ex with this

So does the kbm say how many tones are there and the scl days which frequencies should come out? What exactly does the kbm do?
I havent used Scala, instead I used the Sevish project, but it only exports one .kbm
I wonder if one could write a .kbm in a text editor

What id like to do is define a scale with, lets say 4 or 5 tones that are non standard (say i heard them in an indian raga) and then transpose a whole scale live - or maybe i should say the root of a scale so the other tones keep the relation to the root.

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Re: Disting MK4 K-5 Programmable Quantizer and scala programming

Post by os » Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:08 am

You can easily write scl & kbm files in a text editor. The format is described here:

http://huygens-fokker.org/scala/help.htm#mappings

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Re: Disting MK4 K-5 Programmable Quantizer and scala programming

Post by kraftf » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:05 pm

icondark wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 3:36 pm
Is there a much-simplified collection of scales? A 4000+ archive is great and all, but I'm looking for things like "Major, Minor, Phrygian, Locrian, Pentatonic, Chromatic" and there are either 12 or 0 of each of those names in the download file.
I am looking for exactly the same thing!!!
Where can I find the classic scales in the form of scl and kbm files.
I suppose the scl file should be a 12 tone equal temperament(which I don't know which one is supposed to be in the large archive) and the kbm file would made to use 7(major, minor) or 5 (pentatonic) notes on the keyboard.
Can someone point me to a location where I can download them or maybe if they are included in the huge scales archive.
My suggestion to OS is that in the example files you should include an equal temperament chromatic scale and some example kbms that comprise a major, minor, harmonic minor, Dorian and other popular standard scales. it would be much more helpful for people that don't need to play with microtonality directly but at the same time they can do so in a later stage if they have the base scales right away available.
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Re: Disting MK4 K-5 Programmable Quantizer and scala programming

Post by cdute » Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:16 pm

Hi, hpi's scala vista is a good resource for scala files. https://hpi.zentral.zone/scalavista

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