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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by escargot » Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:44 pm

how could we make sends/returns with all that, busses?

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by os » Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:53 am

I don't think you need the busses. If say mixers 1 & 2 are your main mix, you can just use mixer 3 (which receives all the same inputs) to mix to an effect send.

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by escargot » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:55 am

os wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:20 am
The CCs start at 0 for mixer 1, channel 1 and work up from there.
I have CC0 midi ch1 changing input level 14 on mix 10 main out R. I think we might need a tutorial from you asap for this whole new expanded configuration tool plus midi control. pretty amazing prospect to be able to control the ES9 via midi controller! thanks

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by os » Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:01 am

Without seeing your config I don't know what "input level 14" maps to.

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by escargot » Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:09 am

os wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:01 am
Without seeing your config I don't know what "input level 14" maps to.
not easy to share screenshots of this now big config page, and only applies to my config, which i could do in PM, but would you be ok to give us a little video run thru to help us all? thanks

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Post by os » Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:12 am

I'll make a video when it's all done, not before. Screenshot size really isn't a problem.

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by virtualpt » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:11 am

os wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:39 am
Added panning for stereo mixers.
os wrote:
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The CCs start at 0 for mixer 1, channel 1 and work up from there.
How is panning mapped? Have a Faderfox arriving this week & happy to Beta Test, any configuration tips would be helpful :)

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Post by escargot » Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:25 pm

How is panning mapped? Have a Faderfox arriving this week & happy to Beta Test, any configuration tips would be helpful :)
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CCs are in order and following the es9 virtual mixer which has pan in the middle of volume faders. Depending how you configure your channels (mono or stereo) and in which order, CCs will be different. Pretty logical when you start diving in, you get the logic

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by escargot » Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:33 pm

OS what i don’t really get is the 2 mixers to access all 14 ins. Couldn’t we have 1 mixer with 14 ins and 8’outs (plus the virtual ones) as per hardware, to have all inputs available on all outputs? At the moment, the inputs and outputs are splitted in those 2 mixers so we can’t access an input only in mixer 1 into and output that is only on mixer 2. My application is 3 send/returns for which I’d like all inputs to have access to

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by virtualpt » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:00 pm

escargot wrote:
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CCs are in order and following the es9 virtual mixer which has pan in the middle of volume faders. Depending how you configure your channels (mono or stereo) and in which order, CCs will be different. Pretty logical when you start diving in, you get the logic
Thanks, that's good to know :)

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Post by mr_karlos » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:03 pm

I just want to add this thread to say that I am so happy and impressed with the way that Os listens to his customers and regularly adds features to the products.

I have recent Intellijel and Arturia products and they don’t come close to ES for customer service and feature updates.

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by os » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:07 am

escargot wrote:
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what i don’t really get is the 2 mixers to access all 14 ins.
That's just how the hardware is.

The two mixers's outputs can overlap, so by using a submit from each mixer you can effectively mix all 14 inputs down to one output.

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by escargot » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:19 am

os wrote:
Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:07 am
escargot wrote:
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what i don’t really get is the 2 mixers to access all 14 ins.
That's just how the hardware is.

The two mixers's outputs can overlap, so by using a submit from each mixer you can effectively mix all 14 inputs down to one output.
Cool I’ll try that. Was wondering about the submixes. Cant wait for your tutorials! So far so good I haven’t had any problem with the beta. I’m using both standalone and hosted in Ableton and controlling it with a novation launch control xl. So far so good. Thanks for the amazing work and prompt responses on this forum. You rule! 😘

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Post by virtualpt » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:05 am

escargot wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:25 pm
CCs are in order and following the es9 virtual mixer which has pan in the middle of volume faders. Depending how you configure your channels (mono or stereo) and in which order, CCs will be different. Pretty logical when you start diving in, you get the logic
OK, so I can assign CCs for inputs 1 to 8 following a logical pattern, but can not work out the CCs for 9 to 14. Logically, I would have thought that these would follow suit & start at CC 32. Something random seems to happen around about CC 60s/70s, but haven't fully worked this out yet.

Any help appreciated.

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by os » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:22 am

When you move the sliders in the UI, it shows you the sysex it's sending in the middle box at the top. One of the numbers in the sysex is the CC number.

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by virtualpt » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:52 am

os wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:22 am
When you move the sliders in the UI, it shows you the sysex it's sending in the middle box at the top. One of the numbers in the sysex is the CC number.
OK, I'm guessing this is the 7th pair of hex digits from the left. This looks right for the fader CC, but not for the pan CCs. For example, pan for 1/2 is 01, but digits show 08, for 3/4 should be 03, but shows 0A.

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by os » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:13 am

No, that's right. The pan CC is the left channel fader CC plus 8.

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by virtualpt » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:58 am

os wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:13 am
No, that's right. The pan CC is the left channel fader CC plus 8.
Thanks Os, that's better, but setting fader CC to 64 & pan cv to 72, pan seems to act like a channel fader. This is also happening with the virtual mixer, pan control for input 9/10 acts like fader.

OK, same strange behaviour for channel 11/12. To recreate:
  • Stereo signal into inputs 11 & 12
  • Channel fader at minimum
  • Pan control centered
  • Raise fader to -6.5dB
  • Result: Signal is heard in left channel
  • Drag pan control to bottom of mixer
  • Result: Pan control jumps back to centre position. Signal is briefly heard in both channels before returning to only being heard in left channel
  • Drag pan control to top of mixer
  • Result: Pan control jumps back to centre position. Signal is heard mainly in right channel with some spill into left channel
  • Lower channel fader to minimum
  • Result: Silence
  • Drag pan control to top of mixer
  • Result: Pan control jumps back to centre position. Fader remains at minimum setting. Signal is heard in right channel.
  • Drag pan control to bottom of mixer
  • Result: Pan control jumps back to centre position. Silence

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by os » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:48 am

Yes, there's a problem there. I'll look into it.

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by os » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:59 am

Please try this one.
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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by virtualpt » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:02 am

os wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:59 am
Please try this one.
Thanks for quick fix. Working well so far, both from virtual mixer & with midi. Will continue to test & report back here.

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by virtualpt » Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:23 pm

Hi Os,

Been playing with this all afternoon, setting up different mixers etc. & everything seems pretty solid.

A couple of bits of feedback, in case they are useful:
  • It would be good to be able to define CCs individually or perhaps by range per mixer. At the moment, it I decide to change the configuration, say to split a stereo channel into two mono channels, I have to remap everything downstream from there in my controller.
  • It would be nice to have mutes.
All in all, a pretty awesome update. Thanks for your hard work, it is greatly appreciated.

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by escargot » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:05 am

virtualpt wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:23 pm
Hi Os,

Been playing with this all afternoon, setting up different mixers etc. & everything seems pretty solid.

A couple of bits of feedback, in case they are useful:
  • It would be good to be able to define CCs individually or perhaps by range per mixer. At the moment, it I decide to change the configuration, say to split a stereo channel into two mono channels, I have to remap everything downstream from there in my controller.
  • It would be nice to have mutes.
All in all, a pretty awesome update. Thanks for your hard work, it is greatly appreciated.
that's great feedback, i'd second that

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by virtualpt » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:03 pm

Hi Os,

I'm pretty sure that inputs 15 & 16 in my DAW used to give me the full stereo mix. Now I am getting nothing through 15 & 16. I don't see any configuration options for 15 & 16 in the Virtual Mixer, but can't remember whether there used to be. Please let me know if you need any more info.
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