noob question. is Silent Way better than a midi/cv module?

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noob question. is Silent Way better than a midi/cv module?

Post by xclark » Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:57 pm

my dotcom system is on its way, and I've soldered the appropriate cables to (hopefully) turn my M-Audio Fast Track Ultra into a cv source. this is my first foray into modular and there's still a ton I haven't learned yet. but could someone tell me why running Silent Way in Logic is better than running midi commands in Logic into a Dotcom Q104 midi/cv interface?

I assume that it will give me more control, but I don't understand exactly why.

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Post by ringstone » Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:36 am

Pros:
- Timing. Silent Way is directly output from your audio interface so is not subject to congestion, jitter and timing issues like MIDI.
- Flexibility. Hardware MIDI/CV interfaces generally have dedicated outputs for CV, gate, and aux (control) signals. With Silent Way you can re-configure the outputs any way you like.
- Accuracy. MIDI/CV interfaces have varying levels of accuracy, some use only 8 bits of data to encode some CV's.
- Control. Silent Way has a complete suite of programs that provide many different functions and these can be directly controlled by DAW or MIDI automation.
- Compatibility. Silent Way can control both V/Oct and Hz/V synths, provide different levels/inverted triggers/gates. etc.
- Tuning. Although some MIDI/CV units will allow adjustment of scale/offset, Silent Way will detect and tune automatically even if your synth or VCO is out of tune!
- Functionality. Silent Way can do some things that MIDI/CV cannot, eg. recording input CV's (with the appropriate hardware), generating Din Sync directly, and even jitter-free MIDI with the ES-4. Silent Way can generate LFO's, envelopes, will work in similar fashion to an analog sequencer etc etc etc...

Cons:
- Complexity. Learning curve is steeper than dedicated MIDI/CV interface.
- Resources. Silent Way uses channels of your audio interface which you may require for audio playback. You may need a patchbay or other solution to allow you to switch functions. Using ES-3 or ES-4 may alleviate these issues.
- Hardware. You require a compatible sound card or additional hardware to use Silent Way or perform some of the additional functions mentioned. Then again, a MIDI/CV interface is hardware you need to purchase as well! :hihi:

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EDIT: Cons - you can become so overwhelmed by the infinite possibilities that Silent Way offers that you spend all your time just playing with it and never get any music recorded... :lol:

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Post by os » Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:31 am

What he said.

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Post by os » Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:51 am

There's another similar thread here:
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Post by xclark » Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:10 am

ringstone wrote:Pros:
- Timing. Silent Way is directly output....

EDIT: Cons - you can become so overwhelmed by the infinite possibilities that Silent Way offers that you spend all your time just playing with it and never get any music recorded... :lol:
this was exactly the advice I was looking for. thanks!

well, the pros certainly outweigh the cons, though I am certainly worried about the last con you listed. but, seeing as how I can do it with the hardware that I currently have, I'm going to give Silent Way a shot before I pay for a midi/cv module.

big thanks.

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Post by Etan » Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:11 am

I had Doepfer MCV24 and from my expierence ES-3 with Silent Way is superior to MCV24. No more menus and tedious settings, I can now do everything via computer screen... Automatic oscillator calibration is amazing, LFOs at higher rates, faster envelopes, much more flexible routing etc... And most importantly no more MIDI jitter. Maybe I miss few gate outputs but ES gate expander will take care of that.


I would definitely recommend Silent Way over the midi to cv converter...

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Optimal set up

Post by wmbb » Tue May 07, 2013 9:17 pm

Hi, this thread has helped me decide to make the plunge. I am still a little confused about the differences between the various modules though. I am definitely new to all this and

I have a Mac that I think comes with the the digital output (S/PDIF I think). I have Ableton Live. I need 6 or more 1v/oct cvs, and as many lower resolution cvs and gates as possible. It would be nice not to need special cables. I have a MOTU 828 MKII interface, but realize it my take more - or does the S/PDIF output mean I don't need an interface, or... Well, you can see I'm still pretty shaky about this whole thing. :despair:

I'd appreciate any advice anyone can give me on the optimal set up. I also wonder how I will need to set up LIVE :help:

Thanks!

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Post by os » Wed May 08, 2013 3:10 am

I suggest you download the Silent Way demo, and get it up and running using the 828's own outputs. Then decide if you want to invest further in hardware.

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Post by ZenMusic » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:35 pm

does Silent Way work with the RME FireFace UFX ?

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Post by Epoch » Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:02 pm

Thanks for this thread, I'm hoping to start investigating Silent Way next week. I'm hoping my Lenovo S10-3t touchscreen will work with a Motu Microbook and give me a tablet like touchscreen to be able to work with.
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Post by os » Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:22 am

ZenMusic wrote:does Silent Way work with the RME FireFace UFX ?
It will work with an ES-3 (over ADAT). The UFX's own analog outputs aren't DC-coupled though as far as I know.

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Post by ZenMusic » Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:20 pm

UFX ... the two headphone outputs are DC-coupled ... would that work?

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Post by os » Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:35 am

If true, then yes.

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Re: noob question. is Silent Way better than a midi/cv modu

Post by Infrablue » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:16 pm

xclark wrote:is Silent Way better than a midi/cv module?
Answer: Way.

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Post by nikmis » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:18 am

The number one reason for me that silent way is better than a midi to cv converter is that it doesn't matter how well the VCO or other module is calibrated to 1 volt per octave. This is especially noticeable when it comes to self-oscillating filters. None of my filters are calibrated to work 1 volt per octave, but they work great with silent way. The same goes for my CGS slope generators and MFB vclfos

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Post by Hazium » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:06 pm

I'm definitely having trouble with it out of the box, but troubleshooting it isn't all that bad.

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Post by ersatzplanet » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:30 pm

The only con I would consider is that Silent Way needs a computer whereas a MIDI>CV converter can run of any stand-alone device that puts out MIDI (via 5-pin Din). I often directly connect to the MIDI>CV converters in my rig with no computer in-between.

I though don't worry much about MIDI timing as the latency has to be pretty high to match the latency between members of a typical live band on stage. My music just doesn't require that level of precision.
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Post by msq100 » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:32 am

if u r going to be out LIVE i would recommend the kenton as an option and a great too for plug & play ... in the studio DAW based environment expert sleepers is solid

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Post by 1n » Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:32 am

What's the cheapest connection unit(s) I can buy to enable me to use Silent Way / Ableton with Microbrute, 0-Coast, etc.?

I'm a complete beginner in this area, so apologies in advance for not knowing enough to know what I don't know :)

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Post by os » Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:33 am

Depends on what audio interface you already use with your computer, if any.

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Post by 1n » Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:40 am

Thanks! All I've got is a Scarlett 2i2. No midi box.

I'm quite new to digital music-making, and ready to try more than just line in. I was looking at eurorack, but that's a couple of thousand pounds away...

Edit: I think I understand...I need a DC coupled audio interface.

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Post by os » Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:46 am

To use Silent Way you need one of
- a DC coupled interface, or
- an interface with digital outs to connect an ES-3 or ES-40, or
- an ES-8.

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Post by 1n » Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:53 am

Thank you!

This has given me the slightest excuse to revive the eurorack plan.

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Post by Naturligasteg » Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:06 pm

I guess the answer is - maybe. Depends upon what your criteria is. I upgraded to ES3 from an old Doepfer module. It is easier to handle, but now there are newer better midi-cv modules that are easier to handle so if you want something that is easy and plug n play a new midi-cv module with USB might be the way to go IF you want to use midi-cc to control your synths, cause as it is now ES does not convert CCs straight away. But it that is not a thing and you don't mind spending a few hours to understand how to set ES stuff up it is better in timing and you can get a lot och channnels and the stepped LFO plugin is really nice.

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could really do with some advise or help here

Post by glenorpheus » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:22 am

Hi All, I'm brand new round here, and need a little help or advice please.

I’m wishing to sync my eurorack sequencer (MFB SEQ 03) to my DAW (Logic pro X), i use a Focusrite Pro 40 sound card and would plug the ADAT cable into an ES3 mk4, the SEQ-03 has clock and start/stop (mini jack) inputs, so will i be able to use two of the CV outputs on the E3 to send clock and also start/stop via the use of Silent Way 2 software ? or do i need to purchase the ES5 expander as well ?
I'm a little confused about the ES5 (can you tell)

i've watched quite a few videos and from what i understand is that I'm able to send clock out via the software and rather than it pulse on quarter notes i can change that to pulse on 16th's etc ?

i'm looking at purchasing this great module and software if it will answer my needs, so any help or advise would be awesome.

many many thanks for your time. (",)

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