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Post by WaveRider » Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:47 pm

yeah, still waiting with my Xoxbox and Miami :lol:

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Post by suitandtieguy » Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:34 pm

OK so outside firmware guy number 2 was a no-show.

Joe rewrote the code from the ground up (he wanted to re-evaluate the math in it) over the past few days and we QA'd it last night. it _appears_ to be working perfectly. the fact that he did this on a laptop at his parents' house 5 states away without any Time Divider hardware in front of him should be an inspiration to all of you.

i have to spend some more time with it without any people around to know for sure but right now i'm saying this is ready to move to the next step: hardware rev 2.
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Post by diophantine » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:18 pm

:yay:

I really liked what you did with this & the switch in that ratcheting demo the other day! Glad it is progressing, despite the firmware-flake.

Could you shed some more light on the controls and outputs? I think the last time I actually studied music notation was when I was 10...

I'm guessing the "standard" notes are obviously the whole/half/quarter/eighth/16/32 outputs, and the "dotted" 1/2/4/8 outputs are just the whole/half/quarter/eighth ones with an extended gate time? But not sure about the others.

Also, I have it in my mind that the DIN24 clock signal a 1/64th note, is this right? So the 1/16 note here (or on the TMS/VMS) would be /4 of the clock?

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Post by suitandtieguy » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:18 pm

I just hooked up Archangel in this mess to make a 32-stage ratchet sequence on a very familiar ostinato.

i will post about it later.
diophantine wrote:I really liked what you did with this & the switch in that ratcheting demo the other day! Glad it is progressing, despite the firmware-flake.
thank you.
diophantine wrote:I'm guessing the "standard" notes are obviously the whole/half/quarter/eighth/16/32 outputs, and the "dotted" 1/2/4/8 outputs are just the whole/half/quarter/eighth ones with an extended gate time? But not sure about the others.
yes. a dotted note is 150 percent of the time of whatever the original note is. so a dotted eighth note is like an eighth tied to a sixteenth.

a 16th note triplet is 1/3rd the value of an eighth note.

gate mode is 50 percent duty cycle. trigger mode is 1/24th of a quarter note in duration.

normal rhythm mode is what you would expect out of it. inverted mode inverts the rhythm. in gate mode it is a logical inversion of the clock. however in trigger mode it's a _rhythmic_ inversion of the clock.
diophantine wrote:Also, I have it in my mind that the DIN24 clock signal a 1/64th note, is this right? So the 1/16 note here (or on the TMS/VMS) would be /4 of the clock?
no. sync24 is 24 clocks per quarter note. this is equivalent to a 96th note, so a 16th is 6 clocks long.
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Post by diophantine » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:03 pm

Thanks Mr. STG! This is sounding great. Definitely something much different than other clock dividers, which I didn't realize when I gave this a cursory glance 10 months ago...
suitandtieguy wrote:a 16th note triplet is 1/3rd the value of an eighth note.
Okay, so it is a further division, but by 3... interesting! I thought it might've perhaps been a triple trigger-burst or something, but that was just a wild guess.
suitandtieguy wrote:normal rhythm mode is what you would expect out of it. inverted mode inverts the rhythm. in gate mode it is a logical inversion of the clock. however in trigger mode it's a _rhythmic_ inversion of the clock.
Christ, I think that one may fry my brain!

What do "2 Bars" and "Start Pulse" do, or are they inputs?
suitandtieguy wrote:no. sync24 is 24 clocks per quarter note. this is equivalent to a 96th note, so a 16th is 6 clocks long.
Man, no love for the 2^n from those Roland guys! :waah:

Looking forward to your 32-stage ratcheting!

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Post by det3 » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:50 pm

diophantine wrote:What do "2 Bars" and "Start Pulse" do, or are they inputs?
The start pulse is a trigger pulse that is sent out when the transport starts. The 2 bar output is a double-whole note, or 2 bars.

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Post by suitandtieguy » Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:04 am

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Post by Christopher Winkels » Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:59 am

suitandtieguy wrote:here's another demo:

http://soundcloud.com/suitandtieguy/the ... co-ratchet
That is full of Vitamin F(antastic).

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Post by Henfield » Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:12 am

Christopher Winkels wrote:
suitandtieguy wrote:That is full of Vitamin F(antastic).
Way back in my college days, we had a completely different definition for what Vitamin F is, and it wasn't Fantastic! :w00t: (well it was Fantastic in a way, but the F was standing for a different, shorter word)

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Post by Christopher Winkels » Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:15 am

Henfield wrote:
Christopher Winkels wrote:That is full of Vitamin F(antastic).
Way back in my college days, we had a completely different definition for what Vitamin F is, and it wasn't Fantastic! :w00t: (well it was Fantastic in a way, but the F was standing for a different, shorter word)
"Fabulous"? :hmm: :lol:

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Post by essex sound lab » Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:17 am

This is all remarkably motivational!

And good to hear that the Archangel is still alive.

Sorry for the ELP quip earlier...

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Post by suitandtieguy » Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:07 pm

Sorry? I thought it was hilarious!
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Post by WaveRider » Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:54 pm

giorgio wrote:any news on the euro version of this? about to get my STG suite going again now that I have a din-sync source again

yeah, my Xoxbox and miami just waiting, got the STG din-sync on order.... hope you advance this project, thanks :)

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Post by WaveRider » Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:00 am

WaveRider wrote:
Hi! Just checking, if your time divider is about to get out in eurorack????...
funny I asked the same question 1 year ago day for day!

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Post by WaveRider » Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:03 pm

...well, back from the store, I noticed that the Time Buffer is not meant to be used in a skiff!!!!! What a shame, both sequencers are!!!! I did not know that, so bye bye to my portable aceed rig!!!! XoxBox, Miami, SEM, and a skiff with the stg suite. That was a fantastic idea for my brand new skiff... :bang:

So I guess i am out of my DIN sync dream.... I'll have to get another small portable case before I can fulfill it... :deadbanana:

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Post by suitandtieguy » Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:22 pm

We can make it work.
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Post by WaveRider » Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:16 pm

suitandtieguy wrote:We can make it work.

what? fit the time buffer in a skiff???

or work on getting the time divider out?????

...anyway I am all for this "DINsynced" sequencer line, please DO follow up and develop your line, cause at this point I am wishing someone else would offer such sequencers, the quality is top notch but the most important piece is the time divider!!!!!I need to get those pulses out to the rest of my modular.

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Post by sunsinger » Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:48 pm

I'm pretty sure that STG can make a modification to a timebuffer. It would probably involve re-mounting the card.

I have a time buffer that I had to extend because I had too many sequencers etc.
Eric just sent me another card part and a cable to link the two cards. I just mounted the card to the floor of my cabinet with some spacers and screws.

It gave me eight or more outputs. Easy as that.
Send a PM to Eric and ask if he can do this. His sequencing system is the bomb!

I've got a Time Modules system with 5 VMS, Two TMS, two Shift Managers a time divider, and a time buffer. Works flawlessly.

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Post by WaveRider » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:27 pm

sunsinger wrote: I've got a Time Modules system with 5 VMS, Two TMS, two Shift Managers a time divider, and a time buffer. Works flawlessly.
great that you enjoy it! I am in euro format, so there is only the trigger sequencer, graphic, and time buffer at the moment.

I am a big fan of DINsync for synchronization, I used to have a super setup, with a 808, 909, cr78, 2XCSQ-600 sequencing 2 sh-2. Well that tight groove is unobtainable with midi. So I want to build another similar setup with a Xoxbox, a Miami, a SEM, (+ soon a minitaur) and a sequencing skiff.

The STG suite is looking like a great setup, but all my needs are not covered.... but that must be real cool to have a trigger+graphic sequencer locked to the Miami+Xoxbox. I like the stop+restart on step 1 being all taken care of thru the din sync. And the timing changes appearing at the next iteration is brilliant. They should be the bomb to play!!! And the magical tight, shuffled grooves that it can make!

...anyway it's a very long winded project of mine, a very important one for me, to go back to what I had in until '94...

but what I am missing with the stg suite:
-how to have more than one din sync slave
-the 24ppqn and all signals should be be available (I see that the time divider has 32th out, that is good for music, but I would like to have the original signal out (24ppqn) to sync the seq-02 or modcan seqencer, and for other fast clock cv effects)
-would love to have more sequencer choices, from stg or other module makers, that plug into the time buffer

But I really think I am about to dive in soon!!!!! My xoxbox-miami setup needs expanding, I tried with a kenton and midi but it's not grooving as well, and the timing is a bit behind of course. So it fell flat, I want a large din sync/trigger, analog sequencing setup...

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Post by giorgio » Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:12 pm

you can add more dinsync outputs to the time buffer easily
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Post by sunsinger » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:15 am

giorgio wrote:you can add more dinsync outputs to the time buffer easily
Yes, it's true. I mentioned that in my post. I connected a new Time Buffer card, which Eric supplies at a reduced cost, to the 1st time buffer. There is also a DinSync out on the TB module. The Sync is unbelievably tight.

I just recently acquired the STG Archangel sequencer, which is a DinSync master. It's expensive, but blows most sequencers out of the water.
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It has much of the time modules suite built in, as well as well as a touch plate keyboard. The sequencing is handled in a different way however, more like the old Serge TKB, but it's very much more.

I personally think that Eric has the most well thought out sequencer systems out there for modular format. Eric is very eloquent in his designs. I'm sure that once the Archangel is released that more of the sequencer stuff will appear for Euro. Talk with Eric to be sure.

Yes, I am definitely a fanboy, but only because his stuff works so well for me. Check my soundcloud link below to hear the sequencing. Much of the stuff there is done with the sequencing tools by Eric.

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Post by WaveRider » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:40 am

sunsinger wrote:
giorgio wrote:you can add more dinsync outputs to the time buffer easily
Yes, it's true. I mentioned that in my post.
sorry I did not get that, so you have more than one DINsync slave (external boxes), I tough you just needed to have more than 7 STG sequencers connected to that time buffer.

So what I get from you 2, is that I can get a second time buffer, slave it to the 1st, and then use it to sync another external dinsync box.... but that is a mod we have to ask STG about.... so nice to know then!


As for the archangel sequencer, I did not know that it was a dinSYNC master (I guess it cannot be a slave?), should be a very nice tool indeed, hope to see some more specs/demos soon, but it's way over budget, I am thinking of getting a graphic sequencer and a time buffer now... and a time divider when it's out.. that's all I need to get going... so maybe I should wait for the archangel instead. Nice, now I don't know what I want anymore :despair:

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Post by sunsinger » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:11 pm

Sorry to confuse things for you.
Just put it this way. It can't hurt to have the Time Modules first... I did.
The Archangel is three times the fun now, because I have a solid Time Modules Suite.

Myself, I'd go with your current plans for the moment.
I have the Archangel prototype only, so while its close, it's not quite ready for prime time yet.
Just a mouthwatering tidbit for the future. :tu:

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Post by WaveRider » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:25 pm

sunsinger wrote: The Archangel is three times the fun now, because I have a solid Time Modules Suite.

yeah man, that must be lots of fun.

BTW I was quite blown away by the music on your soundcloud page!!!! wow very good stuff, impressive resume too :)

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Post by suitandtieguy » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:11 pm

Good news. Joe is working on the Divider PCB this week, so things should start moving again.
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